[moklerman]

Shit!! I was hoping we'd get extra credit for beating New England 40-3!!

Yeah it says a lot. When you have a dominant defense why risk anything? No toss sweeps, no screen passes, nothing but handoffs. Just let the defense kick ass. With a 24-3 lead. Smart football if you ask me....

And FWIW, Mokler, you can continue to try but there ain't no piss getting in my cheerios today!! What a win. What a team effort. What a great day in America!!! for Rams fans. But of course, I see you're all over the internet mentioning Goff and how he's being reigned in and how McVay doesn't trust him and how this is a sign of that and that is a sign of this, etc. etc. etc. Any luck with that Mokler?

Well, I'm glad you pay attention to what I'm doing "all over the internet".

But yes, I have responded to other people's posts about how "great" Goff played and yes, I disagreed with that sentiment. But, you seem to ignore the fact that the thread that I actually started and wanted to focus on was the one where I praised the team and those who deserved it.

Now, I would just assume you weren't able to read every single post that's out there and you missed it but since you seem to be following everything I write, it's hard to assume such a thing.

Maybe this team is strong enough across the board to beat playoff teams with the level of passing game they've recently had but it still concerns me. I don't like that we are essentially forced into playing Fisher ball because the passing game can't be trusted to not be a liability. I don't fault McVay for sticking with what was working but there is a difference between choosing to do that and having to do that.

Toward he end of the game, NE was gassed on defense, was selling out to stop the run and McVay wanted to pass to close things out. But he couldn't. What if we had actually needed to pass? Wasn't it twice against the 49ers we couldn't sustain a drive with the pass to get a FG? And now we can't pass when all the advantages are in our favor to close out the game.

I think it warrants concern. This is a playoff team and will be facing teams that can score a lot better than the 49ers and Patriots teams we faced.

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Well, I'm glad you pay attention to what I'm doing "all over the internet".

Not really. I like to check the other 2 Rams sites to see if maybe we're a little slanted here at RFU. But it's about the same sentiment on all the sites. Most of the fans are glad we won, excited about the defense and the young rookie, excited McVay came up with a solid plan to beat the shit out of New England. And then there are those trolling for a Goff argument.

[moklerman]

Not really. I like to check the other 2 Rams sites to see if maybe we're a little slanted here at RFU. But it's about the same sentiment on all the sites. Most of the fans are glad we won, excited about the defense and the young rookie, excited McVay came up with a solid plan to beat the shit out of New England. And then there are those trolling for a Goff argument.

So, you're not a reliable source of quotes from you?

The OP asked how Goff did comparatively but you want paint me as the bad guy for not saying he was terrific? Goff threw it just 25 times but still struggled. He was inconsistent like he has been and on a night where he was asked to do relatively little, he still had a turnover that could have been costly and missed on a few passes that were just bad throws.

That doesn't mean he was all bad but the problems are still there. That concerns me as I don't think we can necessarily mask and/or work around them come playoff time.

[Zen_Ronin]

To answer the thread title's question; How did Goff do, comparatively?

He outplayed Cam Newton, and won.

Bring on the Jets!

[ramsman34]

Listen to what MCV says about JG. Especially how he gets them into good plays and out of bad ones, works with Blythe on making sure the protection is right. There is more to it than throwing the ball. He had a couple shit throws and, he had some dimes. Up 21 points MCV played small ball to limit any opportunities for their D to make a play. Then, once they got down to 4 mins, they do what most all teams do and ran the ball exclusively.

I don’t see that as a lack of trust. I see it as doing what is necessary and wise to win. Why throw being up 3 TDs when the pats offense was getting eaten alive by our D? There is something to be said for sportsmanship as well.

Goff can have bad games. He has had more good ones and some great ones. We will see how he plays to close out the regular season and then in the playoffs when the teams are better and the pressure is higher.

I think he will be just fine.

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So, you're not a reliable source of quotes from you?

The OP asked how Goff did comparatively but you want paint me as the bad guy for not saying he was terrific? Goff threw it just 25 times but still struggled. He was inconsistent like he has been and on a night where he was asked to do relatively little, he still had a turnover that could have been costly and missed on a few passes that were just bad throws.

That doesn't mean he was all bad but the problems are still there. That concerns me as I don't think we can necessarily mask and/or work around them come playoff time.

I think what concerns you is Goff's success, or the thought of him succeeding. JMHO. I think you're a troll. Have been for years.

But let's address Goff's night. On the first 6 drives of the game, the 6th being the first drive of the third quarter, he went 15 of 22 (68.2%) for 116 yards, 1 TD and 1 great play pick by a DB. Was the ball behind Woods? Sure, a bit. If the DB doesn't make a GREAT play there and it falls incomplete, Goff's QB rating is 96.0 for those first 6 drives and a 24-3 lead. If Woods holds onto it (it was in his hands), and the DB doesn't make the "takeaway", his rating is 100.4. And if Reynolds doesn't drop the ball right in his hands, it's 105.9. But mistakes happen. A drop here, a pass a tick behind a receiver there and sometimes the opponent makes a great play like Bryant.

After the first 6 drives, with the game well in hand and McVay wanting to take any wind out of New England's sails by pounding the rookie and giving the OL a chance to blow people up in the run game, Goff was asked to pass 3 times (1 for 3 for 20 yards), four counting the sack. The dude did everything McVay wanted him to do last night, including scramble for 9 yards, convert a 4th and 1 for a TD, sneak another 4th and 1 for a first down and draw the Pats offsides on a third 4th and 1 before throwing that dime to Kupp. And the Rams won, convincingly. But all you want to do is pretend he stuggled, he was confused, he was inefficient or worse. Because that's your gig. Sorry to tell you Moklerman, but get ready for some more disappointment and further strain on your creative writing abilities.

[moklerman]

I think what concerns you is Goff's success, or the thought of him succeeding. JMHO. I think you're a troll. Have been for years.

But let's address Goff's night. On the first 6 drives of the game, the 6th being the first drive of the third quarter, he went 15 of 22 (68.2%) for 116 yards, 1 TD and 1 great play pick by a DB. Was the ball behind Woods? Sure, a bit. If the DB doesn't make a GREAT play there and it falls incomplete, Goff's QB rating is 96.0 for those first 6 drives and a 24-3 lead. If Woods holds onto it (it was in his hands), and the DB doesn't make the "takeaway", his rating is 100.4. And if Reynolds doesn't drop the ball right in his hands, it's 105.9. But mistakes happen. A drop here, a pass a tick behind a receiver there and sometimes the opponent makes a great play like Bryant.

After the first 6 drives, with the game well in hand and McVay wanting to take any wind out of New England's sails by pounding the rookie and giving the OL a chance to blow people up in the run game, Goff was asked to pass 3 times (1 for 3 for 20 yards), four counting the sack. The dude did everything McVay wanted him to do last night, including scramble for 9 yards, convert a 4th and 1 for a TD, sneak another 4th and 1 for a first down and draw the Pats offsides on a third 4th and 1 before throwing that dime to Kupp. And the Rams won, convincingly. But all you want to do is pretend he stuggled, he was confused, he was inefficient or worse. Because that's your gig. Sorry to tell you Moklerman, but get ready for some more disappointment and further strain on your creative writing abilities.

If your lead is to call someone a troll, you don't really have much to say. Let me know when you're past the name-calling stage.

[aeneas1]

Jared did excellent. Had a weird Int.. not a great ball, but not awful and nothing wrong with the decision to deliver the ball to Woods. Shit happens.
Passer rating, when you're throwing that ball that little, can be very deceptive.
Take out the int... give him the drops by Reynolds and Woods and his rating is about 105.
Where some are looking for reasons to add the "McVay doesn't trust him" narrative... I simply see a coach looking at the other team and seeing that they simply can't score on your defense. Make them earn as much yardage as possible to try.

ok, if you're going to make smart football posts you might as well take that shit somewhere else... mokler has a point, it's clear mcvay has no confidence in goff (because goff's just not a good qb), in fact mokler brought up an excellent point some time back, during the 2017 or 2018 season i believe, he argued that mcvay clearly didn't have confidence in goff because the rams pass ratio was so low in the 4th quarter, the money quarter according to mokler, while other qbs had much higher 4th quarter pass ratios, which was proof that mcvay didn't trust goff when the game was on the line - impossible to argue with that level of football smarts.

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PFF actually gave Goff a higher grade than Akers. I think the PFF boys hit the spiked eggnog early and often, but still, says something about Goff playing well enough.

Point with my OP was that Goff did well enough considering who he was playing against. When Belichick has his defense playing well like they have the past few weeks, they are murder. I'm not sure the Goff critics take that into account. All they see is missed throws or pedestrian stats.

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Jared did excellent. Had a weird Int.. not a great ball, but not awful and nothing wrong with the decision to deliver the ball to Woods. Shit happens.
Passer rating, when you're throwing that ball that little, can be very deceptive.
Take out the int... give him the drops by Reynolds and Woods and his rating is about 105.
Where some are looking for reasons to add the "McVay doesn't trust him" narrative... I simply see a coach looking at the other team and seeing that they simply can't score on your defense. Make them earn as much yardage as possible to try.

Spot on post. Good stuff about the sensitivity of passer rating to small sample size. Made perfect sense for McVay let the D eat. I thought Aikman was way off on his comments, I think he was drunk. He went in with a canned narrative to bash Goff and was lazy.