[Hacksaw]

As zero hour draws nearer it natural to review our position. Like a lawyer the night before a trial, or an athlete before his first big game, we question the validity of our argument. whether our position or muscles are strong enough. We all want for that wrong of decades ago to be reversed to enhance or teams future potential, and for many to restore that extra something that comes with the Rams being our home team again. Not just the horns in StL.
What we have learned of StL through out this process, about a few of the knucklehead fans there and much of their local media, has added to a disconnect which fuels our desire for their return. And fuels our worry that they might not.

BC's gut might be right on the money. The tea has been tainted lately with requirements and pressers which continuously tell us that the Rams aren't in the drivers seat. That Spanos is the hub of the LA wheel and that Davis for all of his doing nothing may get LA because he helps Spanos. The waiver (if actionable) of suing (ESK biggest hammer and legal right) in order to qualify to relocate is a damning development. Iger and some bombshell being dropped at the finish line in McNairs Houston is another. the committees being set up and stacked against ESK was our first clue.

Let's not forget though all the postulating we have done. Putting our intelligent minds together and hammering out what appears to be the most logical outcomes which possess the most common sense. We, for the most part, have been spot on on just about every point.
And as stated above, the meeting have closed every time with pro Rams to LA articles. The overall sentiment pro Rams and especially Inglewood. Then withing a few days you get a barrage of counter articles always stating the same thing, that Spanos is so loved and that Carson is in the lead.

Well guess what, it's happening again.

The difference after the next meeting is that in all likelihood, there will be no more reason for the pro Spanos media soldiers to write another article about how loved he and Carson are.
The NFL cannot be so stupid as to believe Carson is real. They have even been down this road with that place before. And let's not forget the timing, the preferred site in Inglewood, the wealth the Rams and financial weakness of the Charaiders, the division realignment, dislike for Davis or at least the bad taste of LA Raiders, the over-saturation of the market, the abandonment of a preferred SD location, the impossible task of determining an actual open date with the serious remediation timelines and procedures still unknown, no plans drawn what so ever for Carson, the City of Carson is financial trouble, polls market stuies and focus groups all favoring the Rams in LA,, and so on.

And none of this is to mention the Tom Foolery which took place in St Louis which the NFL apparently noticed.

So I too am question the strength of my case,, naturally. Some of the recent releases point a different direction. But,, I will remain very cautiously optimistic in our chances.

[SWAdude]

Over at RRF as I was typing a comment to all of this a thought crossed my mind. I think its pretty much a given that if the Rams are denied LA and forced back to St. Louis for a couple more years that the attendance will be even worse than it has been. I can see a stadium either less than half full or opposing fans outnumbering home fans by a 2 or even 3 to 1 margin. Does St. Louis want that considering they know its inevitable the Rams will leave withing a couple years? That poor attendance just might dissuade the NFL to award them an expansion team or any potential exixting team looking to relocate. The league has to know how bad it would be all involved if the Rams are forced back to STL.

It is curiously quiet over on RRF. I would have thought they would fight hard to keep the Rams.

I kind of like the apathy in St Louis.

[Elvis]

Over at RRF as I was typing a comment to all of this a thought crossed my mind. I think its pretty much a given that if the Rams are denied LA and forced back to St. Louis for a couple more years that the attendance will be even worse than it has been. I can see a stadium either less than half full or opposing fans outnumbering home fans by a 2 or even 3 to 1 margin. Does St. Louis want that considering they know its inevitable the Rams will leave withing a couple years? That poor attendance just might dissuade the NFL to award them an expansion team or any potential exixting team looking to relocate. The league has to know how bad it would be all involved if the Rams are forced back to STL.

It is curiously quiet over on RRF. I would have thought they would fight hard to keep the Rams.

I kind of like the apathy in St Louis.

They're only hope is the Rams are forced to stay against their will, probably hard to get fired up about that.

But now that they hate Kroenke with a passion, i'm sure they'd enjoy seeing him lose...

[Hacksaw]

Over at RRF as I was typing a comment to all of this a thought crossed my mind. I think its pretty much a given that if the Rams are denied LA and forced back to St. Louis for a couple more years that the attendance will be even worse than it has been. I can see a stadium either less than half full or opposing fans outnumbering home fans by a 2 or even 3 to 1 margin. Does St. Louis want that considering they know its inevitable the Rams will leave withing a couple years? That poor attendance just might dissuade the NFL to award them an expansion team or any potential exixting team looking to relocate. The league has to know how bad it would be all involved if the Rams are forced back to STL.

It is curiously quiet over on RRF. I would have thought they would fight hard to keep the Rams.

I kind of like the apathy in St Louis.

RRF is fed by RamBill. He cherry picks the articles he posts there. That is a benign bunch. My 2nd favorite Rams site though.

The NFL says a lot of things and it doesn't always mean that those things will come to pass, but they have stated several times, that the loser won't be unhappy at the end of all this. I see no way that ESK will be happy if he doesn't get his Inglewood project and his team playing in it. No way. And returning to StL is not an option. So unless EU or Canadian home teams are approved, San Diego or Oakland may be the last resort locations. Even a 3rd grader or mentally handicapped individual would have to question the decision making prowess of the NFL is they roll out the Oakland / SD Rams, and LA Raiders / Chargers in 2016.

[Hacksaw]

But now that they hate Kroenke with a passion, i'm sure they'd enjoy seeing him lose...

They actually have stated that as a reason to get up in the morning.

[SWAdude]

Over at RRF as I was typing a comment to all of this a thought crossed my mind. I think its pretty much a given that if the Rams are denied LA and forced back to St. Louis for a couple more years that the attendance will be even worse than it has been. I can see a stadium either less than half full or opposing fans outnumbering home fans by a 2 or even 3 to 1 margin. Does St. Louis want that considering they know its inevitable the Rams will leave withing a couple years? That poor attendance just might dissuade the NFL to award them an expansion team or any potential exixting team looking to relocate. The league has to know how bad it would be all involved if the Rams are forced back to STL.

It is curiously quiet over on RRF. I would have thought they would fight hard to keep the Rams.

I kind of like the apathy in St Louis.

They're only hope is the Rams are forced to stay against their will, probably hard to get fired up about that.

But now that they hate Kroenke with a passion, i'm sure they'd enjoy seeing him lose...

Yup. And how messed up is that if the NFL allows this to happen.

And if the news comes out next week that its the Charaiders, I still think it very likely the Rams move forward to LA. Stan seems so far ahead than the others.

[Hacksaw]

And if the news comes out next week that its the Charaiders, I still think it very likely the Rams move forward to LA. Stan seems so far ahead than the others.

That may be his only shot. To take the NFL to court and probably a few individual colluding owners too in separate cases. It worked for GF and ESK is way better equipped.

[azramsfan93]

And if the news comes out next week that its the Charaiders, I still think it very likely the Rams move forward to LA. Stan seems so far ahead than the others.

That may be his only shot. To take the NFL to court and probably a few individual colluding owners too in separate cases. It worked for GF and ESK is way better equipped.

Stan does not need to sue. He can just move. It is up to the NFL if they decide to risk a suit, which would result in an antitrust counter suit.

[AltiTude Ram]

The biggest result from this past week was the Rams application. We learned that their lease included the right to relocate from St. Louis because of the "top tier" clause and that they would've never accepted the offer if it wasn't included. Their lease was approved by the NFL. It's pretty clear they have a right to relocate and that the NFL was aware of that back in '95.

The NFL also was aware of Inglewood and promoted the process for the past few years. There just isn't any argument against the Rams moving and Inglewood being accepted due to the leagues knowledge and actions. I would even go so far as saying that Stan may say he doesn't have to pay a relocation fee based on the above and they paid one to leave LA because of broken promises.

[LoyalRam]

The biggest result from this past week was the Rams application. We learned that their lease included the right to relocate from St. Louis because of the "top tier" clause and that they would've never accepted the offer if it wasn't included. Their lease was approved by the NFL. It's pretty clear they have a right to relocate and that the NFL was aware of that back in '95.

The NFL also was aware of Inglewood and promoted the process for the past few years. There just isn't any argument against the Rams moving and Inglewood being accepted due to the leagues knowledge and actions. I would even go so far as saying that Stan may say he doesn't have to pay a relocation fee based on the above and they paid one to leave LA because of broken promises.

I was thinking this too..If I was Stan, I wouldn't sign that agreement, and would just announce to the World on Tuesday..My team moves thios week and the Inglewood Stadium will be built immediately!