[AvengerRam]

The Rams were tied in the Super Bowl with 7:30 remaining.

Give me the mismanagement that got us there any day of the week.

[PARAM]

Here's are the lists for top 10 salaries on the Rams, niners and Seattle.
(contracts last year)

Goff (24) 36.0M
AD (24) 25.0 M
Cooks (X) 21.0
Gurley (X) 17.5
Ramsey (20) 13.3
Higbee (23) 9.1
Woods (21) 8.1
Havenstein (22) 7.8
Robinson (21) 7.4
Whitworth (22) 6.6

130.8 Mil

Niners
JimmyG (22) 26.6
Ford (23) 15.9
Sherman (20) 14.0
Staley (21) 11.5
Thomas (20) 9.0
Bosa (22) 7.7
Jcyszk (20) 6.7
Tartt (20) 6.2
Armstead (25) 6.0
Tomlinson (21) 5.7

109.3 Mil

Seattle

Wilson (23) 31.0M
Wagner (22) 14.7
Brown (21) 12.5
Lockett (21) 12.2
Britt (20) 16.4
Wright (20) 10.0
Reed (21) 9.3
Olsen (20) 6.9
McDougald (20) 5.4
Diggs (21) 5.1

118.5

On the down side, Gurley and Cooks are gone and we're still paying for them this year. On the up side, only Ramsey needs to be resigned for 2021.

SF has 4 of their top 10 going UFA after 2020. They will either have to be replaced or paid. In turn they have their LT and LG paid through 2021.

Seattle has 3 going UFA after 2020. They have their LT, WR, DT, S paid through 2021.

It's constantly moving without injuries. They only compound the problems. We have problems with our cap but we also have our key players (except Ramsey) paid for a few years.

[PARAM]

Can't argue with that. Despite AD's greatness, you can't pay QB money for any non-QB.
It destroys the team. Many teams have found that the hard way, pouring huge $$$ into CB's and pass rushers. In the end, they have a bunch of roster holes a la the Rams.

Sure you can. The key to having that setup is you have to draft and develop well, constantly churning the lower half of the roster. A lot of teams have to do that anyway (the churning). What Jimmy G going to cost the niners after 2022, possibly even before???? They either have to pay him or find somebody new.

Armstead's money (6M in 2020) goes near AD land the next few years......12.5 mil next year, 20.0Mil in 2022, 21.7 in 2023 and 23.3 in 2024. You have to pay your big stars or they'll go elsewhere.

In 2021 the Rams will have 4 guys (+ Ramsey) at 10M or more per year (81.8 + #20)
SF will have 7 guys at 10M + (108.4 M)
Seattle will have 5 guys (88.1M)

It's cyclical.

[aeneas1]

is there such a thing as not mismanaging in the nfl? are there examples of teams that don't "mismanage" and, as a result, have shelves full of lombardi trophies? seems that the very nature of putting together an nfl roster, managing cap space, can only result in mismanagement, assuming you're trying to win.

[CanuckRightWinger]

Hey, PA.....maybe a misprint in your Rams Top Ten total, no?

S/B $150.8 Mill....I think.

Also, as LosRamos only have 8 of their 10 total guys available, shouldn't you compare our Top 8 to Seattle's Top8 salaries and SF's Top 8 salaries?

Just askin'....Apples to apples?

BTW, I do not hate Snead...
...in fact I am a big supporter of Les DonKlostermanClone Snead, but the amount of money for our bottom nearly 50 guys is $40 million for 2020.

On another note:
Income distribution like the 2020 Rams Roster is right in Bernie Sanders' wheelhouse.

[PARAM]

Hey, PA.....maybe a misprint in your Rams Top Ten total, no?

S/B $150.8 Mill....I think.

Also, as LosRamos only have 8 of their 10 total guys available, shouldn't you compare our Top 8 to Seattle's Top8 salaries and SF's Top 8 salaries?

Just askin'....Apples to apples?

BTW, I do not hate Snead...
...in fact I am a big supporter of Les DonKlostermanClone Snead, but the amount of money for our bottom nearly 50 guys is $40 million for 2020.

On another note:
Income distribution like the 2020 Rams Roster is right in Bernie Sanders' wheelhouse.

Yeah, had that 130 wrong.....missed Cooks 21 mil. What I'm saying is regardless of whether Gurley and Cooks are gone, they still remain in the top 10. SF and Seattle are almost as top heavy as we are. Most teams with good players in their top 10 are just that. So look at 2021 and we move waaaaay down with the same guys as those two are losing 3 - 4 players out of their top 10. They either have to be replaced with vets or rookies or both. My point was, it changes every year. I think there's something to that "the Rams figure the 2020 season is dead" so get rid of the dead money. Newsome said SoCal may not reopen until August and that's an estimate. I have a feeling it's either going to be a abbreviated spring NFL or completely cancelled. But if it goes on normally, I don't know we're in such terrible shape. We've got a YOUNG OL and a whole bunch of weapons, more after the draft if I'm any judge of horse flesh!!!

[BobCarl]

Can't argue with that. Despite AD's greatness, you can't pay QB money for any non-QB.
It destroys the team.

I agree, but I don't totally agree. However, I might rewrite your statement into: "you can't pay QB money for more than one player".

The Rams are paying Goff elite money, Donald is getting elite money, and we have to pay Ramsey elite money.

When it comes to the economics of a business, @CanuckRightWinger has as good or better understanding than Demoff/Snead/McVay combined.

I kid you not.

The shit he has to negotiate in his job has far reaching effects, much greater in scope than any NFL team.

He's not throwing in the towel, he's not saying there is no hope. But he is saying hey, this team has been put in a vunerable position. He's saying "hopefully The Rams get lucky"

A lot of people view Canuck as a jokester/emotional-fan/armchair-CEO ... he is all of that, but he also is a guy that is worthy of being hired as a consultant to managing contracts and salary caps.

His jokester/emotional-fan demeanor is just a communicative vehicle to reach out to the rest of us. The "art of negotiation"? He could write a book on that.

You said you can't argue with what he said? I always read his posts and tell myself that I can argue with him ... sometimes I try, but when I attempt to and I start thinking about tearing down what he is saying, then I realize that my approach is futile and I am nowhere near his level of expertise. I'm the guy that thinks that I might be able to defeat Bobby Fischer in a game of chess ... believe me ... Canuck is the Bobby Fischer of corporate economic management.

We all do well to "not argue with him" when it comes to fiduciary management of a salary cap.

Love the guy, and he also has a palate for great wine.

[PARAM]

I agree, but I don't totally agree. However, I might rewrite your statement into: "you can't pay QB money for more than one player".

The Rams are paying Goff elite money, Donald is getting elite money, and we have to pay Ramsey elite money.

I get what you're saying. The Rams are paying the highest. But it's not like other teams don't pay QB money to 2 players.

Goff 36 (next yr. 32)
AD 25 (next yr. 27)

Dak 31.5 (next yr. UFA)
D Lawrence 21.9 (next yr. 22.0)

Wentz 18.6 (next yr. 34.6)
Cox 22.8 (next yr. 22.4)

Julio 20.4
Ryan 18.9

Kansas City is screwed aren't they? Next year, Frank Clark is due 25.8, T. Matthieu 19.7 and Mahomes is a UFA unless they give him HUGE jack.

[Call me Roman]

from what i'm hearing on t.v. and online the Rams are going to be bad because their logo sucks, I dont agree but that's the thought process I see.

[CanuckRightWinger]

Hey....just so everybody knows....

I sent BobCarl a case of Okanagan Valley Pinot Noir so he would write a testimonial about me....

but I gotta come clean now as BobCarl went a tad overboard!!!

Back to our 2020 Salary Cap discussion....

PA, we are way fatter than Seattle and SF with our Top 10 or Top 12 salaries for 2020.
....and how do you rationally count two guys as valid for the Rams Salary Cap analysis, when both TGII and Cooks are playing in Atlanta and Houston next year??!!

In my best George Herbert Walker Bush (from the 1980 GOP Nomination Campaign):
"I'm sorry Mr. Reagan, but that's voodoo economics!"