[SoCalRam78]

It truly does appear to be a deadlock. So then what. Both teams go?
I don't know what our owner wants but I have a very strong feeling that he has no intention of staying in StLoony. Meaning he and his already invested $100MM in LA is going to the wall to move.
Spanos really only want's to block ESK from doing something the NFL has been pining for for decades. The owners won't turn their backs on that just to allow Spanos to own all of SoCal for himself playing in SD. Thus he has to go into LA himself likely against his gut feelings. OH but he can't afford it so McDickardson comes up with the grand Carson scheme fresh off it's last failed attempt.

I'd love to see 2 stadiums built. Let Spanos go for it in Carson if he is so certain. Let ESK build in Inglewood. Keep the Raiders where they belong.
The NFL has in no uncertain terms stated that that is not going to happen though. Why? What is the difference having to stadiums? More cost for the owners? No. PSL corporate splits and naming rights issues? Not any different than 2 teams in one stadium. Right?
Let Spanos share LA in his own place. Good luck with that Clippe,,,, er, Chargers. LA is a bad deal for that fool and he just doesn't see it. Unless he get's LA alone.

Let's cut through the BS and all accept that fact that the Chargers can't do Carson alone. This is more bs spin from Fabiani. The entire financing of Carson is based on PSLs and naming rights, projected for two NFL franchises. PSLs from the Los Angeles Clippers of the NFL won't be enough for the financing to make sense.

Realize, there is ZERO ancillary development for that venue right now. Even some of the surrounding land isn't available as once thought. It's all based on "we hope to do it in the future." While Inglewood has all the surrounding development planned already as part of the stadium site. But that's right, Spanos hates Inglewood and needs public parking galore. That's why he was thinking of a stadium in downtown LA and wants one now in downtown SD.

Chargers alone to Carson is bs.

[max]

VInny has a good gig going now in LA, so I think it's important for him to get this right. And he wouldn't be saying Rams/Chargers if he didn't have good info on it happening.

And don't you just get the feeling that the handwriting is on the wall for the Chargers and Rams saying bye-bye to their current cities?

Thursday night in Oak will be very interesting. I'm not sure the fans in Oakland really believe the Raiders are leaving.

[OldSchool]

If Spanos decides to try Carson solo he'd have to downgrade the scope and quality of the stadium plans. Last I heard they still hadn't submitted actual stadium plans just a pretty cgi video so that shouldn't be hard. It will be interesting how it goes down.

[Hacksaw]

It truly does appear to be a deadlock. So then what. Both teams go?
I don't know what our owner wants but I have a very strong feeling that he has no intention of staying in StLoony. Meaning he and his already invested $100MM in LA is going to the wall to move.
Spanos really only want's to block ESK from doing something the NFL has been pining for for decades. The owners won't turn their backs on that just to allow Spanos to own all of SoCal for himself playing in SD. Thus he has to go into LA himself likely against his gut feelings. OH but he can't afford it so McDickardson comes up with the grand Carson scheme fresh off it's last failed attempt.

I'd love to see 2 stadiums built. Let Spanos go for it in Carson if he is so certain. Let ESK build in Inglewood. Keep the Raiders where they belong.
The NFL has in no uncertain terms stated that that is not going to happen though. Why? What is the difference having to stadiums? More cost for the owners? No. PSL corporate splits and naming rights issues? Not any different than 2 teams in one stadium. Right?
Let Spanos share LA in his own place. Good luck with that Clippe,,,, er, Chargers. LA is a bad deal for that fool and he just doesn't see it. Unless he get's LA alone.

Let's cut through the BS and all accept that fact that the Chargers can't do Carson alone. This is more bs spin from Fabiani. The entire financing of Carson is based on PSLs and naming rights, projected for two NFL franchises. PSLs from the Los Angeles Clippers of the NFL won't be enough for the financing to make sense.

Realize, there is ZERO ancillary development for that venue right now. Even some of the surrounding land isn't available as once thought. It's all based on "we hope to do it in the future." While Inglewood has all the surrounding development planned already.

Chargers alone to Carson is bs.

No arguments on that premise from me.

We know which one is the most actionable, so which one make the NFL the most money? 2 relo fees makes more money that 1. But that is flexible with regard to Spanos coming later although I'm not sure what he does next year.
The way Spanos has drawn the lines in the sand, it's all or nothing. Well played. I hope ESK kicks that sand right into Deans face.

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Spanos in Carson alone doesn't solve the Oakland Stadium problem.
That's the worst solution. It ain't happening.

Once you get past the STL stadium guaranteed $145M for a dying rustbelt market that needs the NFL to invest $300M of their own money into, not to mention Kroenke's money, you can see more clearly.

This is gonna be a back room deal that doesn't leave any owners totally pissed off. They will never get a deal done if they do.

[bluecoconuts]

It truly does appear to be a deadlock. So then what. Both teams go?

I don't know what our owner wants but I have a very strong feeling that he has no intention of staying in StLoony. Meaning he and his already invested $100MM in LA is going to the wall to move.

Spanos really only want's to block ESK from doing something the NFL has been pining for for decades. The owners won't turn their backs on that just to allow Spanos to own all of SoCal for himself playing in SD.
Thus he has to go into LA himself likely against his gut feelings. OH but he can't afford it so McDickardson comes up with the grand Carson scheme fresh off it's last failed attempt.

I'd love to see 2 stadiums built. Let Spanos go for it in Carson if he is so certain. Let ESK build in Inglewood. Keep the Raiders where they belong.
The NFL has in no uncertain terms stated that that is not going to happen though. Why? What is the difference having to stadiums? More cost for the owners? No. PSL corporate splits and naming rights issues? Not any different than 2 teams in one stadium. Right?

Let Spanos share LA in his own place. Good luck with that Clippe,,,, er, Chargers. LA is a bad deal for that fool and he just doesn't see it. Unless he get's LA alone.

It depends on who can break the deadlock and how.

If Spanos can get people to switch over to Carson, he breaks the deadlock and wins. How does he do that though? Calling in favors? Will owners think that his PR nightmare has made things worse and cause them to move away? How do the Raiders factor in?

What about Kroenke? How does he break it? Does he threaten a lawsuit? Does he tell the other owners he's not staying in St Louis regardless? Does that anger owners and push them away?

I think that Kroenke is going to remind everyone that the played the game clean (or as clean as they could), that he's done what they asked, that he's willing to help both owners if they really do want to stay, that he's willing to partner with them if they can't, just as the NFL wanted. He'll point out flaws, etc.. If he doesn't feel that it's working he may drop some bombs and point out he's not afraid of court (unlike the NFL), he's got the ability to just go and take the NFL to court, and he's got a lot of ammo from former cases, Richardson recruiting Iger, McNair and the 100 million, etc.

[bubbaramfan]

Oldschool, the reason there hasn't been any stadium design plans drawn up for Carson is they have to bring in EPA people in so they can co-ordinate the remidieation. It has to do with sinking the pylons into the bedrock. How many, how many feet apart, how deep and where. And then there's the issue of what will bubble up once the put those holes in the muck. Remember, there are thousands of 55 gal drums of toxic and hospital waste buried there.
They approve the Carson site and I guarantee problem after problem, setback after setback with building on that site. The EPA and the Calif. State Board of Health will be entering the three ring circus. Spanos, Fabiani, Policy and Igar will have their hands full.

Even though I want the Rams to get Inglewood, a part of me wants the dipshit owners to award Carson so I can laugh my ass off when they find out what a big mistake they made by absolutely fucking up LA.

[SoCalRam78]

Oldschool, the reason there hasn't been any stadium design plans drawn up for Carson is they have to bring in EPA people in so they can co-ordinate the remidieation. It has to do with sinking the pylons into the bedrock. How many, how many feet apart, how deep and where. And then there's the issue of what will bubble up once the put those holes in the muck. Remember, there are thousands of 55 gal drums of toxic and hospital waste buried there.
They approve the Carson site and I guarantee problem after problem, setback after setback with building on that site. The EPA and the Calif. State Board of Health will be entering the three ring circus. Spanos, Fabiani, Policy and Igar will have their hands full.

Even though I want the Rams to get Inglewood, a part of me wants the dipshit owners to award Carson so I can laugh my ass off when they find out what a big mistake they made by absolutely fucking up LA.

Honestly don't know much about that land. But odd that huge parcel of land splitting two freeways has sat there for 50 years? All this remediation talk is hypothetical and could take years? Idiot Robles spoke of their being a massive development there if no stadium. Is this true?

[OldSchool]

Oldschool, the reason there hasn't been any stadium design plans drawn up for Carson is they have to bring in EPA people in so they can co-ordinate the remidieation. It has to do with sinking the pylons into the bedrock. How many, how many feet apart, how deep and where. And then there's the issue of what will bubble up once the put those holes in the muck. Remember, there are thousands of 55 gal drums of toxic and hospital waste buried there.
They approve the Carson site and I guarantee problem after problem, setback after setback with building on that site. The EPA and the Calif. State Board of Health will be entering the three ring circus. Spanos, Fabiani, Policy and Igar will have their hands full.

Even though I want the Rams to get Inglewood, a part of me wants the dipshit owners to award Carson so I can laugh my ass off when they find out what a big mistake they made by absolutely fucking up LA.

I get they have to do the remediation and go through all of that but talking to an architect buddy of mine plans can be drawn up in the mean time. Then when the extent of the remediation is figured out and where they stand they can make alterations to satisfy that. It's just peculiar that the only thing we've seen is a video. There hasn't been anything about the actual stadium from Carson other than that.

[Stranger]

It truly does appear to be a deadlock. So then what. Both teams go?

I don't know what our owner wants but I have a very strong feeling that he has no intention of staying in StLoony. Meaning he and his already invested $100MM in LA is going to the wall to move.

Spanos really only want's to block ESK from doing something the NFL has been pining for for decades. The owners won't turn their backs on that just to allow Spanos to own all of SoCal for himself playing in SD.
Thus he has to go into LA himself likely against his gut feelings. OH but he can't afford it so McDickardson comes up with the grand Carson scheme fresh off it's last failed attempt.

I'd love to see 2 stadiums built. Let Spanos go for it in Carson if he is so certain. Let ESK build in Inglewood. Keep the Raiders where they belong.
The NFL has in no uncertain terms stated that that is not going to happen though. Why? What is the difference having to stadiums? More cost for the owners? No. PSL corporate splits and naming rights issues? Not any different than 2 teams in one stadium. Right?

Let Spanos share LA in his own place. Good luck with that Clippe,,,, er, Chargers. LA is a bad deal for that fool and he just doesn't see it. Unless he get's LA alone.

Owners punt the decision to Goodhell.