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Well, they’ve made it clear they were deficient in pitching and how important it was to improve it.
They added nothing while other teams did. It’s failure plain and simple.
Are they good enough to win without? I sure hope so. But it’s hard to be confident the way the pitching has been lately, even the bullpen is struggling.
So here we go, in to the stretch run. Hopefully we get healthy at some point, can’t believe we are dealing with more injuries
WS or bust

The report is teams (NYM, et al) were overpricing their pitchers (Syndegard, Wheeler) and other pitchers were never on the market (Bumgarner). Hell the Mets were overpricing Stroman after they got him. And Bauer? He's a fooking head case. In NYC? I think that would have been an all or nothing.....either he pitched lights out or totally went into the tank because of NYY fans. I respect the idea we didn't want to give up too much of our young talent for a rental or a year and a half. Hey we'll see what happens but it's not like the Yankees have to win it all this year because they probably won't be in this position in 2020. Let's see what they do in October 2019 and then watch them load the roster with pitching in free agency for 2020 and beyond.

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It’s the same thing over and over. Miss out on upgrading pitching, blame on price being too high, claiming we really are good enough. Wash, rinse repeat
They do need to get WS this year or it’s a failure. Plain and simple.
Yankees refusal to overspend makes them less able to make trades. Prospects are just that. And they lose value fast. Clint Frazier value takes a huge hit, he’ll be a 25 y/o 4/5th OF next spring. Not a huge market for that.
Chance Adams was their top prospect at one point, now he’s worthless.
Got to strike while the iron is hot even if it seems an overpay

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It’s the same thing over and over. Miss out on upgrading pitching, blame on price being too high, claiming we really are good enough. Wash, rinse repeat
They do need to get WS this year or it’s a failure. Plain and simple.
Yankees refusal to overspend makes them less able to make trades. Prospects are just that. And they lose value fast. Clint Frazier value takes a huge hit, he’ll be a 25 y/o 4/5th OF next spring. Not a huge market for that.
Chance Adams was their top prospect at one point, now he’s worthless.
Got to strike while the iron is hot even if it seems an overpay

Well there are 2 schools of thought.

1. Strike while the iron is hot. Go out and fill the need and win the World Series.

2. Keep and develop your top prospects.

As Yankee fans we want it now.....it's been 10 years since our last title. But on the other hand, we're vying for the World Series every year. We're not the Cubs who gave up Torres for Chapman, won it all then lost Chapman, lost the NLCS the next year, then lost the Wild Card to Colorado last year.

Houston got Verlander and won it all. But IMHO, they would have won it anyway.

Who'd Boston pick up last year? Steve Pearce, the WS MVP? Everybody saw that coming!!!

Truth is, there are anywhere from 6 to 10 teams who are buyers at the deadline and only 1 wins the World Series. 6 of the Yankees top 8 prospects are pitchers. Develop a couple / 3 of them, add them to Severino, Paxton, German and Tanaka (until he's phased out).

If Paxton can get that 1st inning monkey off his back, he could be stellar. We know Severino can be. German has been solid all year. The talking heads ask, "yeah but are you willing to give the ball in the postseason?". I answer, "hell yes". You can give Happ a bus ticket, CC is done and Tanaka is inconsistent but can be terrific (he was last postseason).

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As Yankee fans we want it now.....

That’s horseshit
1 WS in 18 years.

Nothing to do with fans.

Prospects are terribly overrated. The Yankees are proof of that.

Cashman is who spoke of the importance of bringing in pitching help. Cashman. Not “fans”
And he didn’t deliver

So we go with what we got.
Doesn’t mean we didn’t fail to improve the weakest link on the team.

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That’s horseshit
1 WS in 18 years.

Nothing to do with fans.

Prospects are terribly overrated. The Yankees are proof of that.

Cashman is who spoke of the importance of bringing in pitching help. Cashman. Not “fans”
And he didn’t deliver

So we go with what we got.
Doesn’t mean we didn’t fail to improve the weakest link on the team.

Well 1 World Series WIN in 18 years, 3 World Series appearances during that time. But I get your point. Cashman did say they wanted to improve their pitching but he was unable to do it without giving up too much. Plus he said some of the guys rumored to be available really weren't available. Bumgarner? Wheeler? Syndegard? Ray?

Prospects are terribly over rated? Yeah, like Judge and Sanchez and Severino and Betances and Hicks and Didi and Torres etc., etc.. The Yankees have ALWAYS tried to improve their roster at the deadline. They tried every year of those 18 years. How'd that work out for them?
What's that saying? Keeping doing things the same way expecting a different result.......

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Well 1 World Series WIN in 18 years, 3 World Series appearances during that time. But I get your point. Cashman did say they wanted to improve their pitching but he was unable to do it without giving up too much. Plus he said some of the guys rumored to be available really weren't available. Bumgarner? Wheeler? Syndegard? Ray?

Prospects are terribly over rated? Yeah, like Judge and Sanchez and Severino and Betances and Hicks and Didi and Torres etc., etc.. The Yankees have ALWAYS tried to improve their roster at the deadline. They tried every year of those 18 years. How'd that work out for them?
What's that saying? Keeping doing things the same way expecting a different result.......

Hicks, Didi, Torres not our prospects. Voit, DJ, Urshela, Maybin, Britton, Chapman, Kahnle, Paxton? FA acquisitions or low level trades. What “major” prospect was traded?
None... Chicago way overspent to get Chapman. And they got a WS for it.

Onword and upward... great game tonight after another obligatory 1st inning gift from Pax.
Hope Didi is ok

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Hicks, Didi, Torres not our prospects. Voit, DJ, Urshela, Maybin, Britton, Chapman, Kahnle, Paxton? FA acquisitions or low level trades. What “major” prospect was traded?
None... Chicago way overspent to get Chapman. And they got a WS for it.

Onword and upward... great game tonight after another obligatory 1st inning gift from Pax.
Hope Didi is ok

Hicks, Didi and Torres were prospects. It doesn't matter who's they were. The Twins, D-Backs and Cubs gave them up and look what they've done for the Yankees so far. Kahnle was our prospect, given up and then given back.

The major prospect who was given up was Torres. The major prospect we gave up? I don't know that we've given up any major prospects. Justus Sheffield for Paxton?

He looked sharp tonight.....after the top of the 1st. Hell he looked sharp IN the top of the 1st but made that proverbial 'one bad pitch'....which was more good hitting than bad pitching. I don't think there's ever been a team who has lost as many guys to injury and still played at a .640 - .650 clip. I know we've been hoping Severino and Betances return and there's still 2 months of the season left....but......I hope Didi is okay too. They're talking about possible surgery with Voit?

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Hicks, Didi and Torres were prospects. It doesn't matter who's they were. The Twins, D-Backs and Cubs gave them up and look what they've done for the Yankees so far. Kahnle was our prospect, given up and then given back.

The major prospect who was given up was Torres. The major prospect we gave up? I don't know that we've given up any major prospects. Justus Sheffield for Paxton?

He looked sharp tonight.....after the top of the 1st. Hell he looked sharp IN the top of the 1st but made that proverbial 'one bad pitch'....which was more good hitting than bad pitching. I don't think there's ever been a team who has lost as many guys to injury and still played at a .640 - .650 clip. I know we've been hoping Severino and Betances return and there's still 2 months of the season left....but......I hope Didi is okay too. They're talking about possible surgery with Voit?

I cant follow the logic, of course everyone in MLB was a "prospect" at some point.
What is the point is that holding on to prospects for the future is just over rated.
What major prospects have the Yankees traded to get their current team? They traded Chasen Shreve to get Voit for god's sake...
Hicks? Was a bust in Minny, who gave him to the Yankees for a no future catcher
Chapman they got for a song because he was getting a huge pay day and was being suspended for domestic abuse. Chicago traded "the prospect" to get him
They got Andrew Miller thru FA and were able to flip him for Sheff/Red
And so on and so on....
Cash is a genius, absolute. Has pulled off some major magic. He's gotten other teams to "pay the piper", and I think that has caught up now. Cleveland and Chicago way over paid but they'd do it all over again because it got them to the WS
Water under the bridge now....
I wonder how teams will approach this off season, I think there will be more trading, because this year proved for sure that under the "new rules" the old "we can wait until July to improve the club" mantra is definitely not the same any more

Voit is going to be out awhile, and I hope Didi's new issue doesnt linger. Going to be interesting how Boone manages this next couple weeks. Its a brutal stretch, only 1 day off in the next 25 days with 2 doubleheaders and a West Coast trip in there.

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I cant follow the logic, of course everyone in MLB was a "prospect" at some point.
What is the point is that holding on to prospects for the future is just over rated.
What major prospects have the Yankees traded to get their current team? They traded Chasen Shreve to get Voit for god's sake...
Hicks? Was a bust in Minny, who gave him to the Yankees for a no future catcher
Chapman they got for a song because he was getting a huge pay day and was being suspended for domestic abuse. Chicago traded "the prospect" to get him
They got Andrew Miller thru FA and were able to flip him for Sheff/Red
And so on and so on....
Cash is a genius, absolute. Has pulled off some major magic. He's gotten other teams to "pay the piper", and I think that has caught up now. Cleveland and Chicago way over paid but they'd do it all over again because it got them to the WS
Water under the bridge now....
I wonder how teams will approach this off season, I think there will be more trading, because this year proved for sure that under the "new rules" the old "we can wait until July to improve the club" mantra is definitely not the same any more

Voit is going to be out awhile, and I hope Didi's new issue doesnt linger. Going to be interesting how Boone manages this next couple weeks. Its a brutal stretch, only 1 day off in the next 25 days with 2 doubleheaders and a West Coast trip in there.

My point (logic) is when you give up a prospect for a rental, sometimes that prospect goes on to big things.....something you may have gladly taken instead of the rental. I cited Hicks, Didi and Torres because their former teams "gave up" on them and the Yankees have been reaping the rewards. The point isn't who they were traded for or when. The point is each of those teams would love to have those guys back on their roster.

Hicks played 247 games in 3 years (82 / year) for the Twins (who gave up on him) and has shined with the Yankees. Didi 183 in 2 years with Arizona and now he's a stud. Torres (who never made it to the show with Chicago).....we know what he's done.

My point is even if you end up holding onto your top prospect by accident, it may be better in the long run. The Yankees need starting pitching? They've needed starting pitching for years. 6 of their top 8 prospects are pitchers. Perhaps if they develop and promote a few of them, they won't need starting pitching for some time. We never know.

Two names that were rumored to be mentioned in every trade scenario were Torres and Deive Garcia. A few names that were mentioned with NYY as a destination were Madison Bumgarner, Marcus Stromen and Robbie Ray. Stromen made it. It was reported the Tigers wanted to rape everybody with whom they were negotiating. So were the Mets.

I feel good Cashman didn't bend over for......lets be honest.....not a great crop of pitchers.

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So when was the last time the Yankees traded a top prospect?
That’s the point.
They don’t.
At least, Cashman won’t.
Houston did, Cleveland and the Cubs did

As for “alleged” trade proposals? It’s nonsense, we don’t know what teams were asking.