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Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by Elvis
http://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal ... ttenheimer

The Georgia Bulldogs' offense is about as bad as the St. Louis Rams'. Wow, what a surprise

By Jason Kirk on Nov 1, 2015

When Georgia offensive coordinator Mike Bobo left for the Colorado State head coaching job, Mark Richt replaced him with Brian Schottenheimer of the St. Louis Rams. Rams fans celebrated.

Schottenheimer had only two years of college recruiting experience, as a position coach at Syracuse and USC more than a decade prior, which was one reason nobody really grasped the thinking behind the hire.

The other reason was that the Rams' offenses under Schottenheimer were bad. In his three years, they never ranked better than No. 23 in the NFL in yardage. Throughout, his management of Tavon Austin in particular drove a retired NFL defensive end on our staff to madness (here's Stephen White, still angry about it in 2015). Before that, he was the Jets' OC, where his side only once ranked better than No. 16.

His head coaches were Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini, Rex Ryan and Jeff Fisher, none known for wild innovation, and his quarterback options only gave him so high a ceiling. But the point is that Richt hired an alien coach who'd had one pretty good (No. 11) offense in almost a decade as an OC.

Coach, why'd you do that?

"We were looking for someone similar in philosophy as to how you think offensive football should be played," Richt said at SEC Media Days. "There's so many teams that are just spread. They're spread, and they're going fast. They have four receiver sets, sometimes five and all that. We'll get into the spread to some degree, but we still want to have a physical running game to complement a play action passing game and complement our ability to spread and do those kinds of things.

"So it's kind of hard to find those guys in the college ranks. Coach Schottenheimer, being an NFL coordinator for, I think, nine years, the last nine years, and watching the style of play, he was very similar to what we do."

If a thing is hard to find, there's often a reason. Richt's won a lot of games with his style and knows more about football than I know about anything, but the time to change was months or years ago.

Georgia's offense ranked No. 43 in S&P+ entering Saturday, and that's gonna go down. The Dawgs put 223 yards on archrival Florida in a 27-3 loss, fewer than the Gators allowed to anybody but New Mexico State (Missouri outgained Georgia against UF, and Mizzou's offense is nonexistent).

A big thing went wrong here.

One, Georgia tried out totally unseasoned quarterback Faton Bauta, who had five career attempts before Saturday. That was in part due to its other options being mediocre (UGA ranked in the middle of the SEC in just about every passing stat; former starter Greyson Lambert watched as other former starter Brice Ramsey took over at punter for some reason) and in part due to the 215-pound Bauta being a dual-threat who could challenge one of UF's few potential weaknesses. The Gators had given up 136 yards on the ground to Tennessee's Joshua Dobbs a month prior, though they otherwise hadn't allowed much of anything to QBs.

So with Schottenheimer's stated plan, to wield a big runner of a QB alongside the terrifying Sony Michel, Georgia ran only 22 times, tied for its lowest number of runs in a game since the 2008 horror show against Alabama. And it's not like UF got ahead early and dictated Georgia play catch-up; the Dawgs were within two scores for the first 28 minutes.

The passes weren't any better, as the rookie QB in a rivalry game against the No. 11 team threw passes that bobbled their way into four INTs.

Re: Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by Hacksaw
AAAUUUGHH.. BS living up to his initials.

And it's been rumored that the rams are running a watered down version of his O. :?

Re: Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by moklerman
Yeah, it's going to be difficult to give any benefit of doubt about ol' BS if he stinks it up in college. I was more than ready to see him go so this isn't news to me.

Re: Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by dieterbrock
Well, that article is pretty awful considering it doesnt even mention the loss of Nick Chubb for the season. There's the reason why the Dawgs O took a dump.

Re: Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by moklerman
dieterbrock wrote:Well, that article is pretty awful considering it doesnt even mention the loss of Nick Chubb for the season. There's the reason why the Dawgs O took a dump.
True, but it does expose how effective BS is or isn't. I mean, if all one has to do is call a play to a stud, what is he really doing as a coordinator?

Re: Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by dieterbrock
moklerman wrote:
dieterbrock wrote:Well, that article is pretty awful considering it doesnt even mention the loss of Nick Chubb for the season. There's the reason why the Dawgs O took a dump.
True, but it does expose how effective BS is or isn't. I mean, if all one has to do is call a play to a stud, what is he really doing as a coordinator?

Not really. Look I dont care about Shottenheimer, and dont think he's very good. But this article to me is just trash and appears to be written by an uniformed guy who just wants to blame Shott.
Fact is, Shott didnt recruit the guys that are there, and if anyone thinks Richt isnt in control of that offense, theyre crazy.
Theyve got a 1st year QB who was basically a mediocre QB at Virgina who was handed the keys to the offense with Chubb as the #1 guy. Lambert was playing at a higher level but collapsed after Chubb went down and he was the guy. The replacement QB have been terrible. Sure, the easy thing to do is point to Ohio State or Notre Dame and say that a good program just plugs in the next guy and the offense doesnt miss a step but it isnt true. The lost Chubb and in the 3 games since they played the #4 scoring D and the #5 in Missouri and Florida. They bounced bak nicely against Kentucky last week.
In any event, since Vince Dooley walked away from the sidelines, no Georgia program gets away with a down year, and this is no different

Re: Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by moklerman
dieterbrock wrote:
moklerman wrote:
dieterbrock wrote:Well, that article is pretty awful considering it doesnt even mention the loss of Nick Chubb for the season. There's the reason why the Dawgs O took a dump.
True, but it does expose how effective BS is or isn't. I mean, if all one has to do is call a play to a stud, what is he really doing as a coordinator?

Not really. Look I dont care about Shottenheimer, and dont think he's very good. But this article to me is just trash and appears to be written by an uniformed guy who just wants to blame Shott.
Fact is, Shott didnt recruit the guys that are there, and if anyone thinks Richt isnt in control of that offense, theyre crazy.
Theyve got a 1st year QB who was basically a mediocre QB at Virgina who was handed the keys to the offense with Chubb as the #1 guy. Lambert was playing at a higher level but collapsed after Chubb went down and he was the guy. The replacement QB have been terrible. Sure, the easy thing to do is point to Ohio State or Notre Dame and say that a good program just plugs in the next guy and the offense doesnt miss a step but it isnt true. The lost Chubb and in the 3 games since they played the #4 scoring D and the #5 in Missouri and Florida. They bounced bak nicely against Kentucky last week.
In any event, since Vince Dooley walked away from the sidelines, no Georgia program gets away with a down year, and this is no different
You obviously follow Georgia much more than me but we're not talking about one year of Schottenheimer here. All the things you're saying about him are all the same things that have been said about him for a long time.

But, let's say that it's not really him calling the shots as you say. I assume you're right and have no problem deferring to you're knowledge of the situation. Sounds like the HC is an offense-guy and Schottenheimer is just a place-holder. Okay, so what does it say about a guy who can't even get a real OC job in college? Doesn't really indicate a guy who's good at his job.

Re: Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by dieterbrock
moklerman wrote:
dieterbrock wrote:
moklerman wrote:True, but it does expose how effective BS is or isn't. I mean, if all one has to do is call a play to a stud, what is he really doing as a coordinator?

Not really. Look I dont care about Shottenheimer, and dont think he's very good. But this article to me is just trash and appears to be written by an uniformed guy who just wants to blame Shott.
Fact is, Shott didnt recruit the guys that are there, and if anyone thinks Richt isnt in control of that offense, theyre crazy.
Theyve got a 1st year QB who was basically a mediocre QB at Virgina who was handed the keys to the offense with Chubb as the #1 guy. Lambert was playing at a higher level but collapsed after Chubb went down and he was the guy. The replacement QB have been terrible. Sure, the easy thing to do is point to Ohio State or Notre Dame and say that a good program just plugs in the next guy and the offense doesnt miss a step but it isnt true. The lost Chubb and in the 3 games since they played the #4 scoring D and the #5 in Missouri and Florida. They bounced bak nicely against Kentucky last week.
In any event, since Vince Dooley walked away from the sidelines, no Georgia program gets away with a down year, and this is no different
You obviously follow Georgia much more than me but we're not talking about one year of Schottenheimer here. All the things you're saying about him are all the same things that have been said about him for a long time.

But, let's say that it's not really him calling the shots as you say. I assume you're right and have no problem deferring to you're knowledge of the situation. Sounds like the HC is an offense-guy and Schottenheimer is just a place-holder. Okay, so what does it say about a guy who can't even get a real OC job in college? Doesn't really indicate a guy who's good at his job.


Plainly put, Georgia's offense got bad after a combination of 2 things, losing Chubb and playing 2 of the best defense in football
My issue isnt about defending Shott, my issue is that the article is completely disingenous.
The offense was just fine until Chubb got hurt. Where was the article then? (Averaged 38ppg)
Nah, this is wah wah stuff and I'll pick somebody to blame.
Mark Richt seemingly has his head on the chopping block every year when Georgia under achieves. This yer they'll choose Shott. Maybe that's why Richt hired him. Lol

Re: Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by Elvis
Ogletree watching today's Georgia game:


Re: Speaking of Brian Schottenheimer

PostPosted:9 years 7 months ago
by OldSchool
Elvis wrote:Ogletree watching today's Georgia game:



Funny Alec, Rams fans were saying BS runs the same play all the time too!