[BuiltRamTough]

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Rams owner willing to share LA-area stadium with another owner

Rams owner Stan Kroenke, intent on playing next season in Los Angeles as he attempts to build a new stadium in Inglewood, has made it clear to the league he is willing to share the facility with another owner from the onset, league sources said, but how equitable such an arrangement might be remains a critical issue.
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The Chargers and Raiders have partnered on a potential project in Carson, Calif., though numerous league sources have continued to stress that the ultimate solution in Los Angeles could involve a pairing of any of the three teams seeking to relocate, and that essentially everything remains on the table at this point.

The Chargers in particular would strongly oppose playing in Inglewood, sources said, though the NFL could try to steer things in several different directions to finally bring this process to a conclusion. There remains some skepticism about how much Kroenke would truly share the wealth of a project he has singularly spearheaded.

At the league meeting in August, sources said Bears ownership asked Kroenke a direct question about what a deal might look like between him and another team in Inglewood, and at that time it was clear that the lease arrangement would make the other team more his tenant than his partner. However, sources said the Rams have never been approached by other owners or the league about a detailed plan for Kroenke’s preferred plan for a two-team stadium. While “ideally” a tenant/lease arrangement would be his choice, the team is also open to option that would include more of an “equity” stake as well. That would require more of a cash investment from the second team.

With just three months remaining in this calendar year, one would expect issues like this to be moving quickly if the NFL is indeed going to begin playing in LA next year. Of course, the possibility always exists that they could push things back another year, something the teams involved would dread.



Rams owner Stan Kroenke is intent on playing in LA next season. (USATSI)
Should the NFL endorse a two-team arrangement in Inglewood, it’s conceivable that the finances of a such a deal could be massaged to the point where all parties could agree. One source involved in the process maintained that Kroenke “is open-minded regarding a two-team scenario,” though that sentiment is not so readily backed up among the factions of ownership more inclined to vote for the Carson project at this time.

League sources continue to indicate that if a vote was taken today, neither project would have the requisite support (24 votes), with the Chargers/Raiders needing to swing another four to six votes to get there. Ownership sources estimate Kroenke has roughly 10-12 owners in his corner.

The move to LA will be a key topic at the NFL’s annual fall meeting, to be held Wednesday in New York, and while the league is not close to being ready to bring anything to a vote, there could be incremental signs of progress to come at the meeting, sources said.

During a conference call last week to prepare teams for the meeting, they were informed that “relocation guidelines” will be discussed in a private session limited to just one representative per club. The NFL could set a relocation fee soon, enter into a formal agreement to play games temporarily at the Los Angeles Coliseum and at some point between now and December, the league will have to settle of a preferred project and begin ensuring that it has the sufficient votes required to pass.

Should owner Mark Davis bring in a minority partner to the Raiders with significant experience and acumen in the Los Angeles business/real estate/entertainment community, it only strengthens his odds of being one of the two teams in that market. Throughout this lengthy process he has continued to be seen as the most malleable of all the teams involved, desperate to get out of Oakland and willing to take a subsidiary role if need be to another team if deemed necessary to ensure he ends up there.

With Commissioner Roger Goodell more focused on this project than ever before and likely to play a critical role in its ultimate resolution, it could take a considerable compromise from multiple teams to facilitate things Expect the league to have a major role in steering the financials and details that carry the day.

[The Ripper]

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Rams owner willing to share LA-area stadium with another owner

Should owner Mark Davis bring in a minority partner to the Raiders with significant experience and acumen in the Los Angeles business/real estate/entertainment community, it only strengthens his odds of being one of the two teams in that market.

That would just make an antitrust case stronger for Kroenke.

[bubbaramfan]

I hate to say it, but right now it looks like the Raiders are the second team to move in with the Rams. And they keep talking about Carson like its all ready to go.

After this next meeting, I cant wait to hear all the "out there" articles that come out.

We still won't know anything til December.

[majik]

I just dont get the tenant issue. If the terms are comparable to most leases with stadium authorities what is the issue? You dont put up money to build the stadium why should you be made an equity partner? If Roggin's report that a tenant would pay no rent and keep gameday revenues and sponsorships i dont see a better deal. Stan being the sole builder putting up 2 billion to build the complex should have all non NFL revenues for other events.

[BuiltRamTough]

Bottom line is Stan will do whatever it takes to move to LA. I personally don't care about what the deal is with the stadium or a tenant. I mean what fan cares about that? It's not our money.

As long as the Rams are back. Hell, even if the Rams join the Chargers in Carson I wouldn't care. I would love Carson at that point. Just move the fuck out of STL, please.

[SoCalRam78]

So Kroenke is saying, two options

1. If I pay for it, you're a tenant

2. If you want more equity as a partner, you have to pay for some of it.

What a jerk, no, let's go share a 2 billion dollar stadium on a toxic dump.

If this is true, it's over. Inglewood is the faster and better plan.

[Hacksaw]

Is Stan softening his position? Or is this an Inglewood presser to give the owners something more to chew on. Sounds a bit like the former and that he needed to up his ante. This then would make be wonder if the NFL is really considering the Charaiders Carson-ogenic site as viable. What am I missing here?

[SoCalRam78]

Is Stan softening his position? Or is this an Inglewood presser to give the owners something more to chew on. Sounds a bit like the former and that he needed to up his ante. This then would make be wonder if the NFL is really considering the Charaiders Carson-ogenic site as viable. What am I missing here?

Chargers are the assholes driving everything

"We want to move to Carson with Raiders"

"EIR can't get done in SD"

"We refuse to play in Inglewood"

I'm sure they won'tbe happy with two teams being in Inglewood if they're not one of them.

[Rams the Legends live on]

I just dont get the tenant issue. If the terms are comparable to most leases with stadium authorities what is the issue? You dont put up money to build the stadium why should you be made an equity partner? If Roggin's report that a tenant would pay no rent and keep gameday revenues and sponsorships i dont see a better deal. Stan being the sole builder putting up 2 billion to build the complex should have all non NFL revenues for other events.

It's the bylaws bro. Not all of them are created equal as some ya can lose your team over. One Such bylaw is no team can own the stadium another team plays in. As this bylaw was written to ensure that less affluent owners they would not be taken advantage of by more affluent.

So Stan has come up with a way he could still own it all and not be in violation of the bylaw he allows Spanos a free ride. Which I have no clue if this is intentional by Stan. However Spanos is a billionaire and he has been in the shadow of his father and everyone knows that Alex is fully sold and operates his business full throttle nepotism. Which Dean does as well as he has hired and promoted his children.

So in my opinion this is about Deans pride his father has made him the wealthy person he is. It's in the public media and so in the public's eye. He knows if he can pull off a deal for Carson he steps out from under that shadow and looks like he has come into his own.

So a deal where Stan offers what he did it makes Spanos look like he is a welfare recipient and strikes at Spanos's pride. So now the question is did Stan do this because he wants the stadium so bad he is willing to make such a sweetheart deal and bring a fellow business college along. Or is Stan so aware of how Spanos would view this and strike at his pride. Stan made the offer so he could have the Rams as the solo team in LA. Counting on Spanos pride to say no and then Stan having the ability at the owners meeting then to say look I offered to work with Spanos but he said no. This would give him a more favorable view in his fellow owner's eyes and the ones who have decided to back Spanos and the one's who think they owe Spano's first dib's could now be persuaded to vote with Stan. He gave his fellow owners plausible deniability they can now vote for Stan and when Spanos feels butt hurt. The owners who backed Spanos and others can now be able to wash their hands as they can now tell Spanos after they vote for Stan. We saw the Inglewood deal as the better deal and we felt we owed ya over Stan. However what looked like the best solution for both sides Inglewood and ya there as well ya said no to that so we had to vote the Stan plan as it is better for us league wide.

So the real question is, is this move by Stan one where he did so to help a fellow owner or is this a move where he used Spanos' pride against himself and maneuvered the outcome in his favor to be the sole team in LA?

[Elvis]

If Spanos plays his cards right, he could have the 2nd largest city in California all to himself and a new stadium largely financed by public money...