[moklerman]

I realize that a few loud voices can ruin the perception of or conversation on a message board but there are multiple threads over on Rams Rule/Original Herd right now that have me aggravated.

There is a thread comparing Kroenke to Hitler. There is a sentiment that Kroenke doesn't care about his teams or the Rams in particular. That he's ruined ALL of his franchises and the fans hate him.

I've seen it mentioned over the years that his British soccer team sucks and that he doesn't spend money on them and the fans hate him and it's proof that that is what he's doing to the Rams. I know nothing about soccer but someone tried to point out that his team is spending more money on the team than it ever has and has won 2 out of the last 3 FA cups. So, something doesn't add up. Why would fans hate that?

I feel like he's been at least a good owner for the Rams. He hasn't meddled, he's spent to the cap, he's given top dollar for his coach and his staff, he's building a state of the art stadium in LA and IMO, was willing to do the same in St. Louis before greed and politicians got in the way.

The only thing that I think Kroenke has gotten wrong is choosing Fisher as the one to bring the Rams back to prominence. But, I don't even blame him for that. He made the best choice he could at the time. It was wrong, but it wasn't out of greed, disinterest, not caring about winning or anything along those lines.

Even if you're from St. Louis and are pissed at Stan, I don't see where you can say he's tried to undermine the team. I don't even think he can be blamed for what ultimately happened in St. Louis but to stay on point, the bottom line from my POV is he's stayed out of the way, hired the best people he could find, spent money and done everything to make the team as good as possible(as an owner).

I just don't see how anyone can point to what he's done/hasn't done and "hate" him.

[Elvis]

Kroenke will be judged (by me) on what happens going forward.

As far as i'm concerned, he played getting the team to L.A. perfectly.

How he plays being in L.A. remains to be seen, starting with what he does with Fisher when the season is over...

[OldSchool]

Being a 25+ year Arsenal fan it's amazingly humorous that people point to Arsenal and say they suck and Kroenke ruined them. Fact is Arsenal has the manager with the 2nd most wins ever in Premier League history. The way managers work there they're basically head coach and GM. Fact is the Arsenal spent the 4th most money in their transfer window (read free agency). The Manager has full control and does what he wants to. The problem lies in Arsenal, including Wenger the current managers time, has a very rich history including the Invincible's who went a whole season undefeated and they haven't won the league title since 2004. Now they also haven't finished outside of the top 4 in the league in that stretch but no league championships have some fans irritated in spite of the fact the team competes for the title every year, they're currently 2nd in the league and the only team to beat the guys ahead of them. Now I'd bet every Rams fan anywhere that if we were in the NFCCG every year but never won it they'd be happy, I know some are just so negative they'd never be happy. But being one of the best teams in the world in their sport and it has a ton more competition than the Rams do in the NFL isn't good enough for some people. Some people are just lazy and look at they haven't won a title in a long time and assume that means they're not good. Arsenal are one of the best teams in the world and have 2 of the best players in the world and pay them as such. Aresnal's faults are not to be laid at Kroenke's feet it's all on Arsne Wenger.

Sorry long answer to the Arsenal question but it's something very personal to me having been a soccer and Arsenal fan for so very long.

[OldSchool]

Also I'm not saying he's the perfect owner but he's the type of owner I want for all of my teams I root for. Wealthy, spends money on players, coaches and facilities and doesn't run the roost acting like he knows wtf he's doing. Like Dan Snyder and to an extent Jerry Jones. Give me a Kroenke or Kraft type every day please.

[St. Loser Fan]

I just don't see how anyone can point to what he's done/hasn't done and "hate" him.

-Refusing to meet/take calls from the mayor of St. Louis and the governor of Missouri.
-Having his chief toadie Kevin Demoff run around telling flat out lies right to the fans.
-Nuking St. Louis on the way out of town.
-Using cherry picked and false statistics about St. Louis.
-Saying any team that locates there will face certain financial disaster that will permanently damage the league.

But once again, please tell us what to think and feel. Us flyover country shitheads don't know anything like the great people who live on the coasts.

[St. Loser Fan]

Outside of staying loyal to Fisher, I don't see what you LA fans have to be pissed about with Kroenke. He's done more fan and media interaction in a few months than in the 15 years as a minority owner and five years as a majority owner in St. Louis.

I dare you to find a picture of Stan attending a single charity event or interacting with fans in St. Louis. He's done those multiple times in LA.

EDIT: I forgot about keeping the St. Louis colors and not rushing back to the Faragamo colors full time. My bad.

[moklerman]

-Refusing to meet/take calls from the mayor of St. Louis and the governor of Missouri.
-Having his chief toadie Kevin Demoff run around telling flat out lies right to the fans.
-Nuking St. Louis on the way out of town.
-Using cherry picked and false statistics about St. Louis.
-Saying any team that locates there will face certain financial disaster that will permanently damage the league.

But once again, please tell us what to think and feel. Us flyover country shitheads don't know anything like the great people who live on the coasts.

I'm sure you'll have a hard time discussing this topic but IMO, all of those complaints were after it was too late. When Stan took over the Rams the talk was of doing in St. Louis what he's now doing in LA. Something changed that and I don't think it was Kroenke just arbitrarily giving up on St. Louis. Something soured him IMO.

Have you considered that or think it's plausible?

[OldSchool]

I'm sure you'll have a hard time discussing this topic but IMO, all of those complaints were after it was too late. When Stan took over the Rams the talk was of doing in St. Louis what he's now doing in LA. Something changed that and I don't think it was Kroenke just arbitrarily giving up on St. Louis. Something soured him IMO.

Have you considered that or think it's plausible?

Their big mistake IMO in St Louis was trying to build something for him instead of working with him to find a spot to build what he wanted. They had a chance with that.

[Elvis]

Their big mistake IMO in St Louis was trying to build something for him instead of working with him to find a spot to build what he wanted. They had a chance with that.

I really think once Kroenke had the top tier out, he was gone (if he could get NFL approval). L.A. was just too good of an opportunity.

Same with Georgia and St. Louis. It was a great offer and Georgia took it...

[Hacksaw]

I like ESK. We could do worse.