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Just wait until someone gets injured.

Dick84 wrote:Or not.

Sorry.. very troll-ish of me.
But, by the sounds of some posters, Goff was sure to be out there fighting for a starting job by now.

He won't be, unless some team gets hit by catastrophic injury to its top 2 QBs.

He might latch on as a #2.. I'm not thinking he's better than many teams' backup, though.

Man that was like a Dick85 move...J/K

i'd still take a healthy foles over a healthy keenum, hell i'd take a healthy mannion over a healthy keenum... headed into the regular season with keenum under center = a "play not to lose" offense, heart be still....

aeneas1 wrote:i'd still take a healthy foles over a healthy keenum, hell i'd take a healthy mannion over a healthy keenum... headed into the regular season with keenum under center = a "play not to lose" offense, heart be still....

I agree. Foles isn't that far removed from a capable starting QB. He had a bad stretch of games last year but IMO is still better than Keenum. I wish they could've gotten something for him in a trade or brought him back to hold down the fort until Goff is ready. Keenum is nothing more than a backup QB with experience. That isn't something that you want to start the season with. I would be happy to see Foles competing with the group we have and maybe even starting the season while Goff gets his feet wet. I just don't think the same with Keenum. Have to love his desire but his talent is what it is. Foles will wind up on a team soon. He again, is a good backup QB at worst but still has more talent than Keenum IMO.

Dick84 wrote:

aeneas1 wrote:i'd still take a healthy foles over a healthy keenum, hell i'd take a healthy mannion over a healthy keenum... headed into the regular season with keenum under center = a "play not to lose" offense, heart be still....

I'd have to disagree with you on this one.

I'll take Keenum's weak sauce, *as long as he's not turning the ball over like he did last year*.

I just think Foles is a turnover machine *and* erratic.

Let's hope *none of the above* is what we see and that Goff makes all this irrelevant.

amen to that... heck, i still have keenum's limp-armed 10-yarder, thrown well-behind a wide open crossing welker for an easy td, burned into my retinas, a toss my daughter could have made right-handed (she's a lefty), the guy's a stiff, a hand-off, high percentage pass (read short throw) machine, the type of guy fish hopes he can count on to not lose a game, not a guy a coach counts on to win the game... anyway, given the tremendous success foles had a few years back, i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that the cheap, no-call drilling matthews gave him to the sternum forced him to play injured, he seemed to be a different qb after that hit... anyhoo, neither inspire a huge amount of excitement from where i'm sitting...

I ain't no expert. But Foles was just plain horrible. I got the to the point where I expected 3 and outs with him in there. A first down was a surprise. What really soured me on Foles was how he came back from his benching. When Keenum got hurt and was out 2 games, Foles got his shot at redemption. This is the opportunity to take the bull by the horns and show them them the previous bad play was an enigma. So he proceeds to have the two worst games of the season. And he had some real stinkers before that.

Foles led them to a grand total of 10 points in those two games. Zero TD's and 4 INT's along with a whopping 374 yards in the 8 quarters. 1 out of 12 first downs on 3rd down attempts against the cardinals. 9 total first downs that game. The Cardinals had 29 first downs in comparison. Foles had his shot. He crashed and burned. He just doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL starting quarterback. I have my doubts if he can be a decent backup.

Dick84 wrote:

aeneas1 wrote:

Dick84 wrote:
I'd have to disagree with you on this one.

I'll take Keenum's weak sauce, *as long as he's not turning the ball over like he did last year*.

I just think Foles is a turnover machine *and* erratic.

Let's hope *none of the above* is what we see and that Goff makes all this irrelevant.

amen to that... heck, i still have keenum's limp-armed 10-yarder, thrown well-behind a wide open crossing welker for an easy td, burned into my retinas, a toss my daughter could have made right-handed (she's a lefty), the guy's a stiff, a hand-off, high percentage pass (read short throw) machine, the type of guy fish hopes he can count on to not lose a game, not a guy a coach counts on to win the game... anyway, given the tremendous success foles had a few years back, i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that the cheap, no-call drilling matthews gave him to the sternum forced him to play injured, he seemed to be a different qb after that hit... anyhoo, neither inspire a huge amount of excitement from where i'm sitting...

I won't beat a dead horse.. I don't buy the "injury" thing with Foles and I spoke to someone who was on the staff last season about Foles.
Said he just couldn't adapt to the progressions. Made up his mind where he was going before the snap and it just kept getting worse.
Compared it to Schaub's disintegration.

the things is nick had a 96.5 qb rating, completed 63% of his passes, and threw for 5 tds, 1 pick and a 7.4 yards per attempt mark prior to the green bay game, so he had some success, he was doing something right, albeit he certainly wasn't lights out or a picture of consistency, but i thought there was reason for hope...

but from the green bay game on his numbers plummeted to a 55.5 qb rating, a 53% completion rate, and 2 tds, 9 picks and a 5.5 yards per attempt mark... it was absolutely brutal and, if anything, the rams waited too long to pull the trigger....

anyway i think we agree, hoping for nfl glory with either nick or case under center is a friggin' pipe dream ...

snackdaddy wrote:I ain't no expert. But Foles was just plain horrible. I got the to the point where I expected 3 and outs with him in there. A first down was a surprise. What really soured me on Foles was how he came back from his benching. When Keenum got hurt and was out 2 games, Foles got his shot at redemption. This is the opportunity to take the bull by the horns and show them them the previous bad play was an enigma. So he proceeds to have the two worst games of the season. And he had some real stinkers before that.

Foles led them to a grand total of 10 points in those two games. Zero TD's and 4 INT's along with a whopping 374 yards in the 8 quarters. 1 out of 12 first downs on 3rd down attempts against the cardinals. 9 total first downs that game. The Cardinals had 29 first downs in comparison. Foles had his shot. He crashed and burned. He just doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL starting quarterback. I have my doubts if he can be a decent backup.

it was truly fugly....

snackdaddy wrote:I ain't no expert. But Foles was just plain horrible. I got the to the point where I expected 3 and outs with him in there. A first down was a surprise. What really soured me on Foles was how he came back from his benching. When Keenum got hurt and was out 2 games, Foles got his shot at redemption. This is the opportunity to take the bull by the horns and show them them the previous bad play was an enigma. So he proceeds to have the two worst games of the season. And he had some real stinkers before that.

Foles led them to a grand total of 10 points in those two games. Zero TD's and 4 INT's along with a whopping 374 yards in the 8 quarters. 1 out of 12 first downs on 3rd down attempts against the cardinals. 9 total first downs that game. The Cardinals had 29 first downs in comparison. Foles had his shot. He crashed and burned. He just doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL starting quarterback. I have my doubts if he can be a decent backup.

I;m not sure they were any different than the 2 games that led to be benching.

It was of course an awkward situation to be benched, then have to come back because Keenum went out. That's not an excuse, nor should it be, just observing.

In the 2 games leading up to the benching he was

35 of 68 for 368 yards (5.4 ypa), threw 0 TDs and 1 INT, and had qb ratings of 68.7 and 53.0.

You're right he had a chance to redeem himself but something had already "snapped." He clearly had no confidence and had just plain melted down.

BUT all that was so different from the overall 2014 season plus the first 4 games of 2014.

I don't know if he can back to what he was before he melted down, which wasn't great but was good enough for a team that doesn't need the qb to carry them.

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They all fall off after a few games. Keenum just didn't get the chance 'cause the season ended...