[KarlBaker]

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I was curious....
Does anyone break down game tape here, on this forum ??
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I wanted to review Sean Mannion's throws on 11/29 vs. the Cincinnati Bengals.
I think he went 6 for 7 - for 31 yards.
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What I was curious about, was his accuracy and footing.
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I can't find the game tape of THAT game.
Did anyone DVD the game ??
IF SO - can you take a look at Mannion's play - and see what he did good (or did poorly) ??
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THANKS IN ADVANCE.

[Elvis]

I have NFL Gamepass, i'll take a look when i get a chance.

And if Aeneas is around, he can give us some screen grabs and analysis...

[Will0120]

I did have a chance to look at the clips of all of the plays that he was in. However, it was in response to a poster who was criticizing the play calling on the last drive of the game when Mannion came in so I focused on the routes that our receivers ran and the D they were up against. But it will probably tell you a little bit about Mannion anyways:

Nickle D. All routes were indeed within 10 yards.

Nickle D again. The two outside receivers both went vertical routes but presumably had safeties help over top (can't see the safeties in the clip). Mannion took the 5 yard curl gain.

Dime D. Welker was on a 15 yard corner route and Cook on seam/fly route. Mannion took the 5 yard in. He may have had a chance to get it to Welker on the corner route but it's gotta be one hell of a throw and I can't see where the single high safety is on the play.

Dime D again. Bengals actually sent a heavy blitz with 7 rushers. Blitz mostly picked up but the late coming in blitzing safety would have probably gotten to Mannion if he didn't get rid of the ball when he did. One receiver went for a vertical route whereas the rest all broke off within 10 or so yards. Can't tell if that's the original play design or hot reads by the receivers reacting to the blitz

Dime D again. Two receivers were on vertical routes whereas the other two did 5 yard in and 10 yard in. Mannion took the 5 yard in route again.

[KarlBaker]

Will0120, thanks so MUCH !!
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That's exactly what I was looking for.
I wanted to see his foot-work, and how he was throwing the ball.
Trying to see if he forced it.
The position of the ball, when the receiver caught it.
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Super Thanks !!

[Will0120]

Karl, let us know your thoughts after reviewing the clips regarding his mechanics. I am certainly no QB mechanics expert but I can kinda see why they said they want him to speed up his delivery a bit...

[Neil039]

Karl, let us know your thoughts after reviewing the clips regarding his mechanics. I am certainly no QB mechanics expert but I can kinda see why they said they want him to speed up his delivery a bit...

Awesome job posting the plays Will. He seems slow, but more game snaps will speed him up (maybe I should have used hopefully speed him up).

[Elvis]

Great stuff Will.

I'm definitely not qualified to critique the fundamental stuff but he seemed to be throwing going backwards most of the time. He was dinking and dunking against a prevent so i'm not sure there's much to be learned from this except he competed a lot of passes. He didn't suck in that situation. Some QB's would...

[KarlBaker]

Karl, let us know your thoughts after reviewing the clips regarding his mechanics. I am certainly no QB mechanics expert but I can kinda see why they said they want him to speed up his delivery a bit...

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The first thing that jumped out at me (was not one snap was taken under center - in all these clips - the Rams have Sean in the shot-gun formation), and his delivery seemed very long, and slow to develop. There was no zip on the ball.
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I remember last year, the Quarterback coaches worked with Nick Foles, on the 3 second drill (that was one of the main concerns about Nick coming from the Eagles). His delivery took to long. Foles seemed to have a very good delivery in game #1 against the Seahawks - so I thought the training was working. I don't remember if Sean Mannion got the same training.
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Okay - maybe Mannion came in cold for this game against the Bengals - but still - I did not see the "snap" he had in preseason. That's just from these clips - so don't jump to any conclusions.
Also, I remember, looking at film of Mannion while he played at Oregon State, and he seemed to have more "zip" on the ball.
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Sean's footwork (in these clips) seemed a little sloppy -- but that can be corrected -- I know Sean is working on that now, this off-season. -- With the three second drill, he should be able to get his "muscle memory" to take over, he'll plant his front leg better - and his delivery should speed up.
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I was looking at tape of Carson Wentz and Jared Goff (trying to compare the three), and I think I would be more comfortable with Mannion starting an NFL game "right now".

[Hacksaw]

A few observations from the peanut gallery.
Mannion seems top heavy to me. Tippy, His delivery is atrocious. Seems like he'd throw his arm out by the 4th quarter with those 'hook shot' mechanics. Doesn't set his feet until the throw and his plant leg flairs out to compensate for a power twist in his throwing motion.
He won't get many balls batted down at the LOS with that 'over the top' release though. Seems slow developing tho..
I imagine with more time he'd get better , but those basic quirky fundamentals. ?

Thanks for posting those Will0120..

[KarlBaker]

Hey Hacksaw,
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Watch this clip - focus on Mannion's release in the UCLA game.
Sean has "zip" -- or at least he did, playing against the Bruins.
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