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Been telling people Goff is on the road to Mariota-ville (backup). Can retirement be far behind?

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2021/8/4/ ... w-stafford

https://theathletic.com/2749809/2021/08 ... -practice/

If you wanted a one-play summary from Tuesday of the difference between Goff and Matthew Stafford, here it is: During a team period (11-on-11), Goff ran a play fake and then rolled back to his left, so he had to throw back across his body. Streaking in front of him toward the sideline was Raymond, out of a slot alignment, about 10 yards deep. Up the sideline, 40 yards ahead and with maybe two steps on his defender, was Perriman.

Stafford throws the deep ball there probably 99 times out of 100. Goff targeted Raymond instead, then threw it behind him a bit so it fell incomplete.

There’s just a difference in mentality, and that’s assuming Goff even has the arm strength to hit a receiver in stride 50-plus yards deep while going against the grain. Stafford pushed the envelope, for better or (sometimes) worse. Goff won’t do that quite as much, at least not way downfield.

Goff did make a beautiful throw during seven-on-sevens, pulling a single-high safety’s attention to the quarterback’s right before zipping one up the seam, in stride, to St. Brown for a touchdown. There have been glimpses of that mental and physical ability from Goff, so we’ll see if they start happening with more regularity.

for the 2011-2018 stretch:
stafford and the lions ranked 28th in deep pass rate (% of passes thrown 15 yards or more yards in the air) - only 4 teams threw deep less often than stafford and the lions.

for the 2016-2018 stretch:
stafford ranked 32nd, 24th and 34th in average depth of pass.

but he's lamonica according to this "lions writer", he's the mad bomber revived, a guy who opts for the deep ball 99 out of 100 times?

how about the 2017-2018 stretch?
goff and the rams ranked 9th in deep pass rate, only 8 teams threw deep more often.
stafford and the lions ranked 29th, only 3 teams threw deep less often.

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but something happened in 2019 that changed both stafford's and goff's deep pass rate (and, seemingly, their deep pass reputations) - the lions brought in bevell from the seahawks who had overseen one of the top deep pass offenses in the league with wilson under center, while the rams tore a page out of shanny's playbook and shifted to 2-te sets and threw underneath in an effort to improve pass pro.

these changes catapulted stafford and the lions to 3rd in deep pass rate for the 2019-2020 stretch while upping stafford's depth of pass rankings to 1st and 8th respectively - conversely the changes dropped the rams to 27th in deep pass rate for the 2019-2020 stretch while goff dropped to pre-2019 stafford-like rankings in average depth of pass, i.e. near bottom league.

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anyhoo, all of this is going to be so fun to watch, including seeing what mcvay does with his new toy (less 2-te sets, less underneath passes, more shotgun, less play-action, more 1st down passing, etc., etc., etc.?).

stafford is a seasoned qb vet, a guy with a shitload of experience under his belt, and something that mcvay has never worked with before, so that's going to be fun to watch as well, that dynamic.

as for goff? it will be interesting to see if lynn will gameplan to have goff throw downfield, throw deep, as goff did in 2017-2018 - if lynn's 4 years with the bolts is any indication the answer is probably yes, lynn's 2017-2020 bolts ranked 8th in deep pass rate, only 7 teams threw deep more often.

mike schad 1st rd wrote:Been telling people Goff is on the road to Mariota-ville (backup). Can retirement be far behind?

goff's got his work cut out for him, that's for damn sure, hopefully, for his sake, he doesn't get benched for the likes of a rosen and then find himself out of the nfl the following year.

This coming season is going to clarify the difference between the 2. Eye test, Mathew Stafford has more of the traits I want to see in a #1 QB. I truly think over the course of the season this will flesh out. Stats and apples and oranges can be deceiving. No doubt the Stafford Lions threw up a bunch of stinkers. Stafford with the Rams and Goff without the Rams, truth will be told. I cannot wait to see how this unfolds. Please spirits above, let both of these guys survive the season so we can get a solid read.

aeneas1 wrote:for the 2011-2018 stretch:
stafford and the lions ranked 28th in deep pass rate (% of passes thrown 15 yards or more yards in the air) - only 4 teams threw deep less often than stafford and the lions.

for the 2016-2018 stretch:
stafford ranked 32nd, 24th and 34th in average depth of pass.

but he's lamonica according to this "lions writer", he's the mad bomber revived, a guy who opts for the deep ball 99 out of 100 times?

how about the 2017-2018 stretch?
goff and the rams ranked 9th in deep pass rate, only 8 teams threw deep more often.
stafford and the lions ranked 29th, only 3 teams threw deep less often.

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but something happened in 2019 that changed both stafford's and goff's deep pass rate (and, seemingly, their deep pass reputations) - the lions brought in bevell from the seahawks who had overseen one of the top deep pass offenses in the league with wilson under center, while the rams tore a page out of shanny's playbook and shifted to 2-te sets and threw underneath in an effort to improve pass pro.

these changes catapulted stafford and the lions to 3rd in deep pass rate for the 2019-2020 stretch while upping stafford's depth of pass rankings to 1st and 8th respectively - conversely the changes dropped the rams to 27th in deep pass rate for the 2019-2020 stretch while goff dropped to pre-2019 stafford-like rankings in average depth of pass, i.e. near bottom league.

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anyhoo, all of this is going to be so fun to watch, including seeing what mcvay does with his new toy (less 2-te sets, less underneath passes, more shotgun, less play-action, more 1st down passing, etc., etc., etc.?).

stafford is a seasoned qb vet, a guy with a shitload of experience under his belt, and something that mcvay has never worked with before, so that's going to be fun to watch as well, that dynamic.

as for goff? it will be interesting to see if lynn will gameplan to have goff throw downfield, throw deep, as goff did in 2017-2018 - if lynn's 4 years with the bolts is any indication the answer is probably yes, lynn's 2017-2020 bolts ranked 8th in deep pass rate, only 7 teams threw deep more often.

Interesting data. Thanks

Precisely why I don't gobble everything the media gives me. Good take on the McVay Stafford dynamic as well.

Stafford brings his years of experience. That alone, is an upgrade. The rest remains to be seen.

Goff is gonna be in a tough situation for a quarterback who needs to prove himself. He'll be on a rebuilding team who isn't expected to win many games. Stafford on the other hand, will be playing on a team with legit weapons and coaching that is expected to be a legit Superbowl contender. For Rams fans that is a good thing. For Lions fans, well, same ole same ole.

snackdaddy wrote:Goff is gonna be in a tough situation for a quarterback who needs to prove himself. He'll be on a rebuilding team who isn't expected to win many games. Stafford on the other hand, will be playing on a team with legit weapons and coaching that is expected to be a legit Superbowl contender. For Rams fans that is a good thing. For Lions fans, well, same ole same ole.

SOSAL

Hacksaw wrote:SOSAL

Yep.