[Elvis]

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Is Kroenke trying to make it impossible to stay it in St. Louis?

Posted by Mike Florio on January 6, 2016, 1:34 PM EST

In any campaign that relies on the eventual casting of ballots, candidates can either promote their own attributes or trash those of the alternative. In the quest for the 24 NFL ownership votes needed to secure a golden ticket to Los Angeles, Rams owner Stan Kroenke has opted to do both.

But the negative campaigning focuses not on the other L.A.-area projects as much as it focuses on the other potential location for the Rams. And in trashing St. Louis on his way out the door, Kroenke may be trying to make it impossible for him to stay in St. Louis, if he doesn’t get the 24 votes to move.

“Any NFL Club that signs on to this proposal in St. Louis will be well on the road to financial ruin, and the League will be harmed,” Kroenke’s application for relocation said, via David Hunn of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

At a time when the NFL fears that a one-year delay in resolving the L.A. situation will result in a degrading of the fan bases in St. Louis, San Diego, and Oakland, Kroenke has made it clear that there definitely will be a degrading of the fan base in St. Louis, if the Rams don’t move now.

Here’s where it gets even more intriguing. According to Ben Frederick of the Post-Dispatch, the Rams tried to keep the submission secret, in defiance of the league’s relocation policy. Only after multiple requests did the Rams disclose the information to the Post-Dispatch.

Regardless of whether Kroenke leaked it or tried to hide it, he had to have known it would come out. And he had to have known it would make it hard to stay in St. Louis. And at some level he had to want the owners to realize this before deciding whether to let him leave.

So Kroenke thinks the league will be harmed if the Rams stay in St. Louis. Kroenke’s submission now ensures that the league will be harmed even more. Unless Kroenke no longer owns the Rams.

Which brings us back to the outside-the-box-or-just-plain-kooky notion that a swap of the Rams and Chargers may be the only way to get this done. If Kroenke and Chargers owner Dean Spanos trade pink slips (and if Kroenke gives Spanos a huge pile of cash), Kroenke can take the Chargers to Inglewood and Spanos can become the new favorite son of St. Louis.

Alternatively, it could mean that Kroenke may have to sell the team, if he doesn’t get the 24 votes to move. As some have speculated, he could then eventually buy the Broncos from the Bowlen family, given that Kroenke already owns the Denver Nuggets and Colorado Avalanche.

However it plays out, Kroenke’s aggressive move to get out of St. Louis underscores the fact that, as the owners get together next week, anything can happen. And pretty much everything will.

[Elvis]

Seems like the LA Times had the document first and Fenno said the Rams were just handing them out to all the reporters...

[Stranger]

Wow, their are some sharp dagger being thrown now.

If the Rams were really trying to keep it a secret, then why didn't the Post Dispatch request the Charaiders proposal as well?. And if the PD did, why didn't they get it. Why aren't the Charaiders being nailed to the cross for trying to keep their proposal secret, and maintaining its secrecy.

You can really start to see who is on whose payroll now. It's getting very hard to hide allegiances.

[SoCalRam78]

Franchise swap? Broncos buy? Can Florio make a suggestion based in this universe. He's an idiot.

[Hacksaw]

Here’s where it gets even more intriguing. According to Ben Frederick of the Post-Dispatch, the Rams tried to keep the submission secret, in defiance of the league’s relocation policy. Only after multiple requests did the Rams disclose the information to the Post-Dispatch.

So which is it? So much vitriol. To be expected. These next 8 days can't go by fast enough. Still waiting for the Fabianos responses.

all this sell the team is in their wildest dreams and they post it as a viable alternative.

We're still traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the ESPN Zone!

[Stranger]

Franchise swap? Broncos buy? Can Florio make a suggestion based in this universe. He's an idiot.

My guess is Florio was fed the story angle from Fabiani.

[SWAdude]

Here’s where it gets even more intriguing. According to Ben Frederick of the Post-Dispatch, the Rams tried to keep the submission secret, in defiance of the league’s relocation policy. Only after multiple requests did the Rams disclose the information to the Post-Dispatch.

So which is it? So much vitriol. To be expected. These next 8 days can't go by fast enough. Still waiting for the Fabianos responses.

all this sell the team is in their wildest dreams and they post it as a viable alternative.

We're still traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the ESPN Zone!

Agree. Can't go by fast enough.

[LoyalRam]

SPanos won't sell the Chargers, and he has no freakin interest in ST Louis...Denver owner WILL NOT seil the Broncos..Of course this idiot Florio doesn't even mention the most obvious option to Kroenke after burning ST Louis..He relies on no one to build Inglewod. IE, Stan gets permission to leave in their good graces, or he just leaves and sues the sheet out of the NFL for trying to make the Rams stay in a market that lured them with a false promies (1st Tier)

[Stranger]

SPanos won't sell the Chargers, and he has no freakin interest in ST Louis...Denver owner WILL NOT seil the Broncos..Of course this idiot Florio doesn't even mention the most obvious option to Kroenke after burning ST Louis..He relies on no one to build Inglewod. IE, Stan gets permission to leave in their good graces, or he just leaves and sues the sheet out of the NFL for trying to make the Rams stay in a market that lured them with a false promies (1st Tier)

The story is ridiculous, so why did Florio write it. What was his motive? And who benefits from that story?

Answer those questions and we figure out who Florio's real master is.

[dieterbrock]

"Which brings us back to the outside-the-box-or-just-plain-kooky notion that a swap of the Rams and Chargers may be the only way to get this done. If Kroenke and Chargers owner Dean Spanos trade pink slips (and if Kroenke gives Spanos a huge pile of cash), Kroenke can take the Chargers to Inglewood and Spanos can become the new favorite son of St. Louis."

So let me get this straight. Spanos hates Kroenke so much that is pushing Carson just to block him, and even if that wont work he wont entertain sharing the Inglewood stadium with him and his Chargers.
So in light of that hatred, he'll trade franchises, let Stan take his Chargers and let them be uber succesfull in shiny LA while Deano moves to St Louis???
Who the hell comes up with this stuff??
Man, its like, did you ever have a really cool dream and then when you woke up and tried to explain it, it made absolutely no sense??