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Stan Kroenke's plan to win the race to Los Angeles

By John Gennaro


Stan Kroenke's Inglewood stadium project may have taken the lead over the Carson stadium project as far as which one the NFL will prefer when they're voting next week.

For weeks, I've been wondering about something.

Mark Fabiani, Dean Spanos, and the San Diego Chargers seem to being playing a political game to try and win the race to Los Angeles with their Carson stadium project. They brought on Carmen Policy, they added Bob Iger to the project, and all along they've been toting the Oakland Raiders as the crying homeless child that the NFL can't leave out in the cold.

What I've been wondering is this: Why hasn't Stan Kroenke been playing this game? Surely, with his resources, he could be adding big names to his Inglewood stadium project. Why hasn't he been firing back counter-punches?

I came to the only reasonable conclusion. Stan Kroenke was going to use his money, his biggest and best asset, to win the race to Los Angeles.

Today, in a report filed by the St. Louis Business Journal, Inglewood Mayor James Butts confirmed that the stadium in Inglewood would be built with or without the St. Louis Rams being granted relocation to Los Angeles.

That means a couple of things.

The Inglewood project does not need to wait around for a decision from the NFL or the other NFL owners before they can start construction.

By building a better venue than the Carson stadium, and therefore stealing big events away from Carson (World Cup, Olympics, international soccer matches, etc.), Kroenke can rob the Carson stadium project of much of its value.

Due to Stan Kroenke's incredible wealth, he can build a stadium with the sole purpose of being spiteful and damning the Carson stadium's success. I'm not saying that's his sole purpose here, but at the very least it's a nice fringe benefit.

In my eyes, the NFL would not risk playing in the second most impressive new NFL-level stadium in Los Angeles. That would be like forcing the Chargers to play their current home games at Chargers Park.

This doesn't mean that the Chargers are staying in San Diego, but it does seem to paint a pretty optimistic picture for the Inglewood stadium site.

By building a better venue than the Carson stadium, and therefore stealing big events away from Carson (World Cup, Olympics, international soccer matches, etc.), Kroenke can rob the Carson stadium project of much of its value.

In my eyes, the NFL would not risk playing in the second most impressive new NFL-level stadium in Los Angeles. That would be like forcing the Chargers to play their current home games at Chargers Park.

This doesn't mean that the Chargers are staying in San Diego, but it does seem to paint a pretty optimistic picture for the Inglewood stadium site.

Check-mate Spanos!

The thing we need to keep in mind, if it's true, is it doesn't necessarily matter what's best for the NFL.

If Spanos really has enough owners who have his back, they're going to make sure Spanos comes out ahead somehow and doesn't get screwed by Stan kroenke who holds the better hand.

Whether or not it makes good sense, that may be reality...

Stranger wrote:

By building a better venue than the Carson stadium, and therefore stealing big events away from Carson (World Cup, Olympics, international soccer matches, etc.), Kroenke can rob the Carson stadium project of much of its value.

In my eyes, the NFL would not risk playing in the second most impressive new NFL-level stadium in Los Angeles. That would be like forcing the Chargers to play their current home games at Chargers Park.

This doesn't mean that the Chargers are staying in San Diego, but it does seem to paint a pretty optimistic picture for the Inglewood stadium site.

Check-mate Spanos!

Or straight flush Elvis high. what'cha holding Spanos?

Hacksaw wrote:

Stranger wrote:

By building a better venue than the Carson stadium, and therefore stealing big events away from Carson (World Cup, Olympics, international soccer matches, etc.), Kroenke can rob the Carson stadium project of much of its value.

In my eyes, the NFL would not risk playing in the second most impressive new NFL-level stadium in Los Angeles. That would be like forcing the Chargers to play their current home games at Chargers Park.

This doesn't mean that the Chargers are staying in San Diego, but it does seem to paint a pretty optimistic picture for the Inglewood stadium site.

Check-mate Spanos!

Or straight flush Elvis high. what'cha holding Spanos?

Pair of 4's

These are the reasons we've all known Inglewood was the better site than Carson! Good to see somebody other than us put them out there.

Here's how Kroenke wins. I'm theorizing here.

Since Carson has absolutely zero timetable, the Ing stadium would be finished first by a year or two in advance at minimum. He could say, "okay, I don't have the votes to move in 2016 so I'll go back to St. Louis year to year and follow your rules NFL." The stadium meanwhile gets built in Inglewood. Of course, this is an election year and Nixon is done in Missouri, so the next governor would toss out the shit Riverfront stadium plan. St. Louis proposal goes bye bye. Goldman Sachs balks at financing a stadium because a better venue is being built in Ing that can host indoor events and a competing stadium would hurt them from a naming rights deal. Carson gets it's knees chopped out from under them. Next January/February, Kroenke reapplies. St. Louis proposal is out, he has a stadium being built, he's followed the NFL rules and there's no competing plan in LA.

Rams lose a year in the LA Coliseum.

SoCalRam78 wrote:Here's how Kroenke wins. I'm theorizing here.

Since Carson has absolutely zero timetable, the Ing stadium would be finished first by a year or two in advance at minimum. He could say, "okay, I don't have the votes to move in 2016 so I'll go back to St. Louis year to year and follow your rules NFL." The stadium meanwhile gets built in Inglewood. Of course, this is an election year and Nixon is done in Missouri, so the next governor would toss out the shit Riverfront stadium plan. St. Louis proposal goes bye bye. Goldman Sachs balks at financing a stadium because a better venue is being built in Ing that can host indoor events and a competing stadium would hurt them from a naming rights deal. Carson gets it's knees chopped out from under them. Next January/February, Kroenke reapplies. St. Louis proposal is out, he has a stadium being built, he's followed the NFL rules and there's no competing plan in LA.

Rams lose a year in the LA Coliseum.

Very reasonable assessment. What happens if the Charaiders are approved to counter Kroenkes (bluff?) and actually physically move into the Coliseum/LA first? I can see GS having issue and StL failing under this scenario, but I have a feeling Dickardsons face didn't get that way by being the 'catcher'.

No matter how you slice this move, he definitely just raised and the pot is growing.

Hacksaw wrote:

SoCalRam78 wrote:Here's how Kroenke wins. I'm theorizing here.

Since Carson has absolutely zero timetable, the Ing stadium would be finished first by a year or two in advance at minimum. He could say, "okay, I don't have the votes to move in 2016 so I'll go back to St. Louis year to year and follow your rules NFL." The stadium meanwhile gets built in Inglewood. Of course, this is an election year and Nixon is done in Missouri, so the next governor would toss out the shit Riverfront stadium plan. St. Louis proposal goes bye bye. Goldman Sachs balks at financing a stadium because a better venue is being built in Ing that can host indoor events and a competing stadium would hurt them from a naming rights deal. Carson gets it's knees chopped out from under them. Next January/February, Kroenke reapplies. St. Louis proposal is out, he has a stadium being built, he's followed the NFL rules and there's no competing plan in LA.

Rams lose a year in the LA Coliseum.

Very reasonable assessment. What happens if the Charaiders are approved to counter Kroenkes (bluff?) and actually physically move into the Coliseum/LA first? I can see GS having issue and StL failing under this scenario, but I have a feeling Dickardsons face didn't get that way by being the 'catcher'.

Spanos/Davis don't move to LA because their sugar daddy GS is no longer interested in a stadium where the revenues may not be so hot. Plus with the Rams out of the picture (temporarily), the Charaiders go back to their respective homes. This all occurs early in 2016 (by April). The Chargers even begin to show interest in the SD referendum vote that can happen in June/November of 2016.

I mean, in my scenario, Kroenke is crippling Carson before the land is even remediated. Obviously, this is a high stakes game of poker, but Kroenke has the shovel ready stadium, the money and can complete his project much faster. Basically he's starting with 3 of a kind.