by Flash 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 1272 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Houston Pro Bowl Our" System" QB At Work POST #81 Hacksaw, Elvis liked this post Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)Or as they'd say in a Trump rally..."lock him up, lock him up..." RFU Season Ticket Holder 2 by Elvis 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 41439 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Our" System" QB At Work POST #82 A lot of this came from Bruce Arian's book which now, is pretty much, obvioulsy, laughably wrong considering all the spread and air/raid QBs dominating the NFL at at young ages:“[T]hat damn sure ain’t what playing quarterback is all about,” Arians writes in his new book, The Quarterback Whisperer. “The most important trait needed to become a QB is leadership. But there is no leadership required of the quarterback in [the college] version of the spread. He doesn’t talk to his teammates in the huddle, he doesn’t change the snap count — hell, he barely even reads the defense. The college spread quarterback doesn’t learn the mental and physical skills needed to execute the intricacies of the NFL game. That puts the college spread QBs who aspire to play and succeed in the NFL at a distinct disadvantage.”Arians adds that any NFL team drafting a spread quarterback “can expect him to fail early in his career,” which means he’ll need the mental toughness to deal with failure. “Most rookie quarterbacks are going to suck anyway . . . but he’ll really be at a disadvantage if he’s coming from a spread team and has no idea of the pro concepts.” RFU Season Ticket Holder by R4L 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Our" System" QB At Work POST #83 HAL 9000 liked this post Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)I seen where someone was complaining that Peters was yelling at Joyner during the game. Joyner was late on several plays and needed to be yelled at. 1 by dieterbrock 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #84 Elvis wrote:A lot of this came from Bruce Arian's book which now, is pretty much, obvioulsy, laughably wrong considering all the spread and air/raid QBs dominating the NFL at at young ages:And he worked with Roethlisberger who was 13-0 in reg season as a rookie.... by snackdaddy 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10039 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Our" System" QB At Work POST #85 The one thing I was impressed with Goff in college, was his ability to extend plays but not take off running. He kept his eyes downfield. Wentz would be quick to tuck it an run. It served him well as that dual threat. A big guy who can pick up tough yards. But it cost him too. When the play breaks down and Goff is forced out of the pocket he's still looking to complete a pass downfield. He'll run if its wide open like he did on a play the other day. But he doesn't put his body at risk as much as guys like Wentz and Deshaun Watson. I think the Rams noticed that too. Which is why they chose him. by laram 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 444 Joined: Sep 30 2015 LA Coliseum Starter Our" System" QB At Work POST #86 Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! by AvengerRam 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #87 RamsFanSince82, FMulder, HAL 9000 liked this post laram wrote:Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! Your posts are adorable.Do they come in adult sizes? 3 by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #88 69RamFan wrote:I don't know where you're from but out here in the local L.A. area,,, and media were calling him a bust and coming from the Air Raid system during his first year... Then talking about not being able to work underneath the center... because they didn't do that in his colleges days... Prior to the draft, they were comparing both Goff vs Wentz, Goff coming from the Air Raid and Wentz coming from a Pro Style offense in college....Sorry if I dont have a news link for you,,, but this was coming from all the TV, radio,,, Maybe if you like you can google it.... I'm sure you find something.....During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. .... by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #89 Dick84 wrote:Yeah... the no air raid QBs do well as a rookie thing is specious.. at bestWell one plays well in his first year in the league, then, draw attention to it. by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... 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by Elvis 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 41439 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Our" System" QB At Work POST #82 A lot of this came from Bruce Arian's book which now, is pretty much, obvioulsy, laughably wrong considering all the spread and air/raid QBs dominating the NFL at at young ages:“[T]hat damn sure ain’t what playing quarterback is all about,” Arians writes in his new book, The Quarterback Whisperer. “The most important trait needed to become a QB is leadership. But there is no leadership required of the quarterback in [the college] version of the spread. He doesn’t talk to his teammates in the huddle, he doesn’t change the snap count — hell, he barely even reads the defense. The college spread quarterback doesn’t learn the mental and physical skills needed to execute the intricacies of the NFL game. That puts the college spread QBs who aspire to play and succeed in the NFL at a distinct disadvantage.”Arians adds that any NFL team drafting a spread quarterback “can expect him to fail early in his career,” which means he’ll need the mental toughness to deal with failure. “Most rookie quarterbacks are going to suck anyway . . . but he’ll really be at a disadvantage if he’s coming from a spread team and has no idea of the pro concepts.” RFU Season Ticket Holder by R4L 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Our" System" QB At Work POST #83 HAL 9000 liked this post Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)I seen where someone was complaining that Peters was yelling at Joyner during the game. Joyner was late on several plays and needed to be yelled at. 1 by dieterbrock 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #84 Elvis wrote:A lot of this came from Bruce Arian's book which now, is pretty much, obvioulsy, laughably wrong considering all the spread and air/raid QBs dominating the NFL at at young ages:And he worked with Roethlisberger who was 13-0 in reg season as a rookie.... by snackdaddy 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10039 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Our" System" QB At Work POST #85 The one thing I was impressed with Goff in college, was his ability to extend plays but not take off running. He kept his eyes downfield. Wentz would be quick to tuck it an run. It served him well as that dual threat. A big guy who can pick up tough yards. But it cost him too. When the play breaks down and Goff is forced out of the pocket he's still looking to complete a pass downfield. He'll run if its wide open like he did on a play the other day. But he doesn't put his body at risk as much as guys like Wentz and Deshaun Watson. I think the Rams noticed that too. Which is why they chose him. by laram 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 444 Joined: Sep 30 2015 LA Coliseum Starter Our" System" QB At Work POST #86 Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! by AvengerRam 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #87 RamsFanSince82, FMulder, HAL 9000 liked this post laram wrote:Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! Your posts are adorable.Do they come in adult sizes? 3 by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #88 69RamFan wrote:I don't know where you're from but out here in the local L.A. area,,, and media were calling him a bust and coming from the Air Raid system during his first year... Then talking about not being able to work underneath the center... because they didn't do that in his colleges days... Prior to the draft, they were comparing both Goff vs Wentz, Goff coming from the Air Raid and Wentz coming from a Pro Style offense in college....Sorry if I dont have a news link for you,,, but this was coming from all the TV, radio,,, Maybe if you like you can google it.... I'm sure you find something.....During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. .... by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #89 Dick84 wrote:Yeah... the no air raid QBs do well as a rookie thing is specious.. at bestWell one plays well in his first year in the league, then, draw attention to it. by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... 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by R4L 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 1301 Joined: May 08 2017 Dayton, Ohio Pro Bowl Our" System" QB At Work POST #83 HAL 9000 liked this post Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)I seen where someone was complaining that Peters was yelling at Joyner during the game. Joyner was late on several plays and needed to be yelled at. 1 by dieterbrock 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #84 Elvis wrote:A lot of this came from Bruce Arian's book which now, is pretty much, obvioulsy, laughably wrong considering all the spread and air/raid QBs dominating the NFL at at young ages:And he worked with Roethlisberger who was 13-0 in reg season as a rookie.... by snackdaddy 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10039 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Our" System" QB At Work POST #85 The one thing I was impressed with Goff in college, was his ability to extend plays but not take off running. He kept his eyes downfield. Wentz would be quick to tuck it an run. It served him well as that dual threat. A big guy who can pick up tough yards. But it cost him too. When the play breaks down and Goff is forced out of the pocket he's still looking to complete a pass downfield. He'll run if its wide open like he did on a play the other day. But he doesn't put his body at risk as much as guys like Wentz and Deshaun Watson. I think the Rams noticed that too. Which is why they chose him. by laram 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 444 Joined: Sep 30 2015 LA Coliseum Starter Our" System" QB At Work POST #86 Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! by AvengerRam 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #87 RamsFanSince82, FMulder, HAL 9000 liked this post laram wrote:Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! Your posts are adorable.Do they come in adult sizes? 3 by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #88 69RamFan wrote:I don't know where you're from but out here in the local L.A. area,,, and media were calling him a bust and coming from the Air Raid system during his first year... Then talking about not being able to work underneath the center... because they didn't do that in his colleges days... Prior to the draft, they were comparing both Goff vs Wentz, Goff coming from the Air Raid and Wentz coming from a Pro Style offense in college....Sorry if I dont have a news link for you,,, but this was coming from all the TV, radio,,, Maybe if you like you can google it.... I'm sure you find something.....During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. .... by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #89 Dick84 wrote:Yeah... the no air raid QBs do well as a rookie thing is specious.. at bestWell one plays well in his first year in the league, then, draw attention to it. by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... 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by dieterbrock 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #84 Elvis wrote:A lot of this came from Bruce Arian's book which now, is pretty much, obvioulsy, laughably wrong considering all the spread and air/raid QBs dominating the NFL at at young ages:And he worked with Roethlisberger who was 13-0 in reg season as a rookie.... by snackdaddy 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10039 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Our" System" QB At Work POST #85 The one thing I was impressed with Goff in college, was his ability to extend plays but not take off running. He kept his eyes downfield. Wentz would be quick to tuck it an run. It served him well as that dual threat. A big guy who can pick up tough yards. But it cost him too. When the play breaks down and Goff is forced out of the pocket he's still looking to complete a pass downfield. He'll run if its wide open like he did on a play the other day. But he doesn't put his body at risk as much as guys like Wentz and Deshaun Watson. I think the Rams noticed that too. Which is why they chose him. by laram 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 444 Joined: Sep 30 2015 LA Coliseum Starter Our" System" QB At Work POST #86 Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! by AvengerRam 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #87 RamsFanSince82, FMulder, HAL 9000 liked this post laram wrote:Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! Your posts are adorable.Do they come in adult sizes? 3 by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #88 69RamFan wrote:I don't know where you're from but out here in the local L.A. area,,, and media were calling him a bust and coming from the Air Raid system during his first year... Then talking about not being able to work underneath the center... because they didn't do that in his colleges days... Prior to the draft, they were comparing both Goff vs Wentz, Goff coming from the Air Raid and Wentz coming from a Pro Style offense in college....Sorry if I dont have a news link for you,,, but this was coming from all the TV, radio,,, Maybe if you like you can google it.... I'm sure you find something.....During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. .... by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #89 Dick84 wrote:Yeah... the no air raid QBs do well as a rookie thing is specious.. at bestWell one plays well in his first year in the league, then, draw attention to it. by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... Reply 9 / 14 1 9 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jun 19 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by snackdaddy 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10039 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Our" System" QB At Work POST #85 The one thing I was impressed with Goff in college, was his ability to extend plays but not take off running. He kept his eyes downfield. Wentz would be quick to tuck it an run. It served him well as that dual threat. A big guy who can pick up tough yards. But it cost him too. When the play breaks down and Goff is forced out of the pocket he's still looking to complete a pass downfield. He'll run if its wide open like he did on a play the other day. But he doesn't put his body at risk as much as guys like Wentz and Deshaun Watson. I think the Rams noticed that too. Which is why they chose him. by laram 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 444 Joined: Sep 30 2015 LA Coliseum Starter Our" System" QB At Work POST #86 Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! by AvengerRam 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #87 RamsFanSince82, FMulder, HAL 9000 liked this post laram wrote:Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! Your posts are adorable.Do they come in adult sizes? 3 by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #88 69RamFan wrote:I don't know where you're from but out here in the local L.A. area,,, and media were calling him a bust and coming from the Air Raid system during his first year... Then talking about not being able to work underneath the center... because they didn't do that in his colleges days... Prior to the draft, they were comparing both Goff vs Wentz, Goff coming from the Air Raid and Wentz coming from a Pro Style offense in college....Sorry if I dont have a news link for you,,, but this was coming from all the TV, radio,,, Maybe if you like you can google it.... I'm sure you find something.....During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. .... by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #89 Dick84 wrote:Yeah... the no air raid QBs do well as a rookie thing is specious.. at bestWell one plays well in his first year in the league, then, draw attention to it. by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... Reply 9 / 14 1 9 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jun 19 2025
by laram 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 444 Joined: Sep 30 2015 LA Coliseum Starter Our" System" QB At Work POST #86 Hacksaw wrote:I can see where Peter could be considered a head case. He certainly loves to draw attention to himself. Me not We'ish..His play on the field is important too, , and that has been pretty good (bomb Sunday for a TD not withstanding) .. I'm all about fielding a dominant team which Peters can help achieve. So as long as he doesn't become a distraction (which we should know by the end of the year) I'd lock him up. (not jail)Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! by AvengerRam 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #87 RamsFanSince82, FMulder, HAL 9000 liked this post laram wrote:Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! Your posts are adorable.Do they come in adult sizes? 3 by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #88 69RamFan wrote:I don't know where you're from but out here in the local L.A. area,,, and media were calling him a bust and coming from the Air Raid system during his first year... Then talking about not being able to work underneath the center... because they didn't do that in his colleges days... Prior to the draft, they were comparing both Goff vs Wentz, Goff coming from the Air Raid and Wentz coming from a Pro Style offense in college....Sorry if I dont have a news link for you,,, but this was coming from all the TV, radio,,, Maybe if you like you can google it.... I'm sure you find something.....During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. .... by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #89 Dick84 wrote:Yeah... the no air raid QBs do well as a rookie thing is specious.. at bestWell one plays well in his first year in the league, then, draw attention to it. by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... Reply 9 / 14 1 9 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jun 19 2025
by AvengerRam 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #87 RamsFanSince82, FMulder, HAL 9000 liked this post laram wrote:Peters also had coverage on old man Gates on his 27 yard catch.Rivers went at him and that's one of the things I love about Rivers.He ain't scared of you!Peters is overrated IMO, not worth the baggage.He's like an off ball defender or shot blocker in basketball.Great on the backside/weakside.Ain't much of a tackler either. Ask Jared Cook! Your posts are adorable.Do they come in adult sizes? 3 by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #88 69RamFan wrote:I don't know where you're from but out here in the local L.A. area,,, and media were calling him a bust and coming from the Air Raid system during his first year... Then talking about not being able to work underneath the center... because they didn't do that in his colleges days... Prior to the draft, they were comparing both Goff vs Wentz, Goff coming from the Air Raid and Wentz coming from a Pro Style offense in college....Sorry if I dont have a news link for you,,, but this was coming from all the TV, radio,,, Maybe if you like you can google it.... I'm sure you find something.....During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. .... by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #89 Dick84 wrote:Yeah... the no air raid QBs do well as a rookie thing is specious.. at bestWell one plays well in his first year in the league, then, draw attention to it. by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... Reply 9 / 14 1 9 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jun 19 2025
by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #88 69RamFan wrote:I don't know where you're from but out here in the local L.A. area,,, and media were calling him a bust and coming from the Air Raid system during his first year... Then talking about not being able to work underneath the center... because they didn't do that in his colleges days... Prior to the draft, they were comparing both Goff vs Wentz, Goff coming from the Air Raid and Wentz coming from a Pro Style offense in college....Sorry if I dont have a news link for you,,, but this was coming from all the TV, radio,,, Maybe if you like you can google it.... I'm sure you find something.....During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. .... by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #89 Dick84 wrote:Yeah... the no air raid QBs do well as a rookie thing is specious.. at bestWell one plays well in his first year in the league, then, draw attention to it. by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... Reply 9 / 14 1 9 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jun 19 2025
by /zn/ 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6932 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame Our" System" QB At Work POST #89 Dick84 wrote:Yeah... the no air raid QBs do well as a rookie thing is specious.. at bestWell one plays well in his first year in the league, then, draw attention to it. by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... Reply 9 / 14 1 9 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jun 19 2025
by 69RamFan 6 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3586 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar Our" System" QB At Work POST #90 /zn/ wrote:During his first year as a Ram, yes, there was a lot of that talk. Bust, etc. Fueled by the losses. That continued in to the summer of 2017. Before the draft, there was a lot of different talk. Some said that Goff was more pro-ready because Cal played better teams. Some said Wentz was more pro-ready because he played in a pro system. I do know people said that playing in an Air Raid put Goff behind because the Air Raid system just does that. But it did not reduce to whether he could play under center. This came from people who were in Goff's corner, too. One of the best, Matt Waldman, wrote after 2016 that Goff had a steeper hill to climb because of the Air Raid. But Waldman defended Goff. It used to be no one from an Air Raid system made in the NFL. When Manomes was drafted the Air Raid came up a lot. Now Goff and Mahomes have both made it, but it is still pretty clear that Air Raid qbs struggle as rookies. Mahomes didn't because he sat and learned as a rookie. So yes all that's been out there. I only questioned one thing--I never heard or read anyone who said specifically that Goff would never work out playing under center. But it's just that one statement--lots got said, but it's just that I don't recall anyone saying that one specific thing (that he would never work out playing behind center). But if all you meant was he had doubters, absolutely yes. ....I remember Fisher was being interviewed on the radio,,,One of the talking points were about him playing underneath the center...Fisher mention "we are working on that... but you still have plenty of QBs playing shotgun... Peyton Manning,,," and he named a few others...But that was the talking topic,,, around here,, coming from the Air Raid system,,, and they were picking out all of the problems with the Air Raid to being a NFL QB,,, and one of the topics were playing underneath center... Now if it wasn't a main topic on the news media,,, sorry,,, but I know what I heard... Reply 9 / 14 1 9 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business