[aeneas1]

So rather than me name you some random 2021 NFL Playoff Team's OL as the ideal....how about this? I say that there will be at least a 40% change/personnel turnover in the Rams 2022 OL personnel...

i wouldn't be at all surprised if there are changes to the rams oline next season, heck last year's opening day starting oline consisted of whitworth, noteboom, blythe, corbett and havenstein, life in the big city.

how about the packers, their 2 oinemen with the most snaps this year include a 4th round rookie (97% of the offensive snaps) and a second year 6th rounder who came into 2021 with 0 nfl starts under his belt (94% of the snaps), mixed in with a bunch of guys that have missed lots of action due to injury, nothing but change with that oline, 40%+, life in the big city.

but, again, what teams do you think fielded a better oline than the rams this season? what teams do you think are examples of smart front offices that know how to build olines better than the rams front office?

[aeneas1]

By every metric the Rams had one of the best olines in the league. They had 2 bad games...Titans and a really bad game yesterday vs SF.

I will say I expected a little more mobility from Stafford. At his age he might be more of a statue then Goff. I believe Stafford had 43 yards rushing this year while Goff had 87. Miniscule difference but Stafford has very little escape ability left in my opinion. He had moments of good pocket presence however a few metrics rated Staff poor against pressure overall. So tough to truly say.

yep.

[CanuckRightWinger]

So I have to write two essays:
-one on which 2021 NFL OLs are superior to Los Ramos; and,
-one on which NFL Front Office are smarter than McSnead at building OLs.

....and why exactly do I want to study up on (hypothetically speaking) the Tampa Bay OL, to find out what Draft Picks comprise their Buc OL.....when I don't have a scintella of interest in that NFL Team??? Moreover, why would I want to research NFL braintrusts that are smarter than McSnead......whom I like, respect, and post positively about, huh??

Sheesh aeneas1...I said I greatly respected you as a poster....
but I didn't say you could start giving me homework assignments!!!

Seriously, the Salary Cap does not allow NFL braintrusts to fill every Roster Spot with an All-Pro......so NFL braintrusts have to make tough choices.

IMO, McSnead decided to roll the dice on a 2021 OL consisting of a 40 year old LT who missed 8 games in 2020 injured, a hot&cold RT Havenstein, a couple of semi-proven OGs in Edwards & Corbett, and a totally unproven dwarf OC, in Allen.....and behind them, a bunch of unproven depth. Again, that's my opinion on McSnead's 2021 OL decision.....and then foregoing any new 2021 Draft OL talent insertion, irked me even more. McSnead 2021 OL strategy looked risky to me.....not reckless, but WELL out there and all that with a new OL Coach to boot!

I do like all the McSnead swashbuckling trades of Draft Picks for proven players, I like the cornacopia of 2022 Compensatory Picks, etc etc....
....so why in H-E-double hockeysticks do I want to research "Smarter NFL Braintrusts Than McSnead" when I like them just fine??? I've often referred to Les DonKlostermanClone Snead in posts....a supreme compliment IMHO.

....and just because I like McSnead overall.....what, I am not allowed to say "Hey geniuses....you sure the fuck missed out on Creed Humphrey at #57, eh!!!!" Very cheap, and very good!!!

Hey even smart operators can fuck up occasionally, and it doesn't mean one hates them if one points out screw-ups....eg. Bobby Wagner 2012 Flubb, Tavon Austin over reach, Brian #33Overall Quick, the 2018 Snead Draft.....11 guys drafted and not alot of games started by that group.

In Summation:
As I am clearly not entering into your A1 challenge.....let's do this.
I opine that McSnead watched that OL debacle yesterday and decided that "wholesale Ram OL changes are coming for 2022." How wholesale?.....I will up my bid to 60% Ram OL turnover for 2022 and also say that I think McSnead will pay more attention to OL selections in the 2022 Draft than in the past.
How's that for a trade-off?

NOW, LET'S FOCUS THIS WEEK ON SHUTTING DOWN THE KYLER MURRAY SHOW!!!

[PARAM]

I will up my bid to 60% Ram OL turnover for 2022 and also say that I think McSnead will pay more attention to OL selections in the 2022 Draft than in the past.

Maybe they will. I'm 60% certain they'll need a new LT for 2022. So that's 1/3 of that 60% you predict. Also, 2 of the other 4 starters are free agents. The question, as always will be....how many new starters not on the roster now, will they add in 2022? Many have predicted they 'have to go OL' in the 2020 and 2021 free agency seasons or drafts. Maybe the third time is a charm?

[CanuckRightWinger]

Well....the Rams OL could have used a charm yesterday eh....that's a given.
Heck they could have used a paratroop incursion from the 82nd Airborne yesterday!

Hey I read in another thread about how you have that "24 Hour Rule"....that must be the rule that goes along with your "17 Year Rule"....y'know the one where you obsessively memorize what every poster has written over the last decade&-a-half or so!!!

[PARAM]

Hey I read in another thread about how you have that "24 Hour Rule"....that must be the rule that goes along with your "17 Year Rule"....y'know the one where you obsessively memorize what every poster has written over the last decade&-a-half or so!!!

17 year rule and obsessively memorize? Hardly. It simply a matter of repetition like muscle memory. Hear a song continuously over 17 years and you tend to know the lyrics. Whether you want to or not.

[CanuckRightWinger]

Yeah, some guys are consistent in their messaging....
and other guys flop around to flavor-of-the-day stuff....

y'know like guys who in November go from setting their hair on fire trying to convince the world "why are guys so blind to see that Stafford & McVay are the problems!!!??? "
"It's NOT the Defense, it's NOT the TOP....NO! NO! It's Stafford & McVay!!! Guys who don't criticize McVay are warped and mentally flawed....probably Alzheimer's afflicted!!"

....and then some weeks later they vacillate and post a ComeToJesus homily about ALL THAT WE HAVE TO BE THANKFUL FOR.....EG. McVAY & STAFFORD!!!!

Cannot make this stuff up folks!!!

[PARAM]

Yeah, some guys are consistent in their messaging....
and other guys flop around to flavor-of-the-day stuff....

y'know like guys who in November go from setting their hair on fire trying to convince the world "why are guys so blind to see that Stafford & McVay are the problems!!!??? "
"It's NOT the Defense, it's NOT the TOP....NO! NO! It's Stafford & McVay!!! Guys who don't criticize McVay are warped and mentally flawed....probably Alzheimer's afflicted!!"

....and then some weeks later they vacillate and post a ComeToJesus homily about ALL THAT WE HAVE TO BE THANKFUL FOR.....EG. McVAY & STAFFORD!!!!

Cannot make this stuff up folks!!!

Obsess much? Methinks so!

Stafford was the fucking problem. Doesn't mean I don't love the trade, the guy and the future. Just that I can be honest. You oughta try it. Particularly with your slants and interpretations. Don't you have a wall to punch or a table to bang?

And hey, if your in some imaginary (i.e., those 'Stafford handwringers') battle to be the best Ram fan ever, you are. Nobody can match your tenure, your experiences, your stories and your oh-so-keen observations. You win the award. Ram fan of the century.....hell 2 centuries running. Now will you give it a break? You're the guy. The greatest. The most knowledgable. The most Nostradamic.

You keep saying "let's get ready for......." but you keep tossing trolling grenades around. Practice what you fucking preach, ace.

[AvengerRam]

Here's how I look at it...

The Rams took a calculated risk in building its OL in 2021 from in-house pieces, rather than FA or the draft. Doing so allowed the Rams to instead use resources mostly on skill position players (drafting 3 WRs and a RB, signing DJax and, later, OBJ).

Did it work? Yes and no. Overall the Rams OL played fairly well (with 2 or three games providing notable exceptions). The investment in skill players, however, was a pretty mixed bag due to injuries (Tutu, Harris, Funk) and defections (DJax).

I think its also fair to say that the team didn't do much for its long-term prospects on the OL. On the plus side, when Joe Noteboom played, he looked like he might be able to handle the LT spot when Whitworth hangs up his well-worn cleats, and should be affordable to re-sign. Havenstein and Edwards are both solid cogs who are still under contract and should be back. Then you have FAs Brian Allen, Austin Corbett and Coleman Shelton. Are they worth re-signing? Price, of course, will be a big factor there.

So, yes... we'd be better with Creed Humphrey on a 4 year rookie contract, but the Rams made a choice to go in another direction. Too late to do anything about that now, other than possibly learn from it (how deep is the OG/C crop in the 2022 draft?)

[CanuckRightWinger]

Well thank you Counselor from Florida!!!

Holey Moley.....somebody gets it!
I feel like Diogenes wandering thru RFU with my lantern looking for one honest man.....
and finally hitting paydirt!!!!

Breakout the late great Canadian Leonard Cohen's "Allelujah!"

As I said.....repeatedly....the Rams braintrust decided to roll the dice (my words) with 2021 OL talent already on the Roster. AVRam calls it "a calculated risk"....YES!! Same-same as me.

Again....pointing out that we missed a great opportunity (cheap&good) on Creed Humphrey at #57 is not:
-saying that I think McSnead are braindead:
-any signaling of despair nor resignation;
-and is certainly NOT Asinine!! (as some hang-wringer protested)

It just shows that some dedicated Ram fans pay attention is all.
Hopefully we do learn from the Creed Humphrey Miss.....and the potential limitations of going 100% (in future) with in-house talent exclusively!

We'll know in the next couple weeks or so, if McSnead's calculated OL risk worked or not.

GO RAMS!! DISSECT THE CARDINALS!!!