[AvengerRam]

You like just typing for attention?

That's the impression I get.

[PARAM]

For Pennsylvania and his 'who the fuck is Greg Rosenthal?"....or words to that effect
ME: I dunno. I just gave him the credit for his 4 Week Inventory of Goff Goofs is all. Read it over in another Rams Forum....one where, when you criticize the Ram QB's shitty performance, you don't get some Dr. Phil wannabe up your arse analyzing your HalfCentury of Ramfandom!

As I have stated earlier, prior to this season, out of a 32 Team League, only 12 NFL Teams make the Playoffs.....and yeah, IMO, the other 20 Teams are irrelevant for that season....IE. like Los Ramos last year! So I am going to be critical of things that I see threatening that relevancy thang! Whether it's Goff, or Wade Phillips, or even sitting HCs like Spagnuolo and Fisher (I called Jeff Fisher a Dumpkopf during the Rams BYEWeek in 2016 (look it up!), oh, I didn't have alot of supporters then either BTW!)

Back to me scavenging around for stats from obscure sources like a Greg Rosenthal....
see, you guys with your ATHLETIC subscriptions can keep waxing eloquent about how Goff looked elite versus Minnesota and KC...
....reminds me of Heinz Guderian bogged down in Russia in 1943 reminiscing about marching into Paris just two years earlier! Point being.....things can change A LOT in 2 years!
BTW, nobody is being called a Nazi here....I am just making a historical comparison.

Anyways, I scavenged around some more last night and found a Sports Illustrated article late last night which basically said STALEY D GREAT....GOFF BLOWS CHUNKS....or words to that effect.

In that SI article, and segwaying it back to PA's
SURELY YOU'RE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT COMPARING GOFF TO JAMEIS WINSTON!!??

Well, turns out that... IT'S NOT ONLY ME! ....AND DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY!
Per the SI article, the 3 worst NFL QB Turnover Machines so far in 2020?

Carson Wentz...18
Kirk Cousins/Jared Goff TIE....14

....and then, just to put the Cherry atop the Sundae for this contrarian kvetcher, SI went on to catalogue the worst NFL QB Turnover Machines since 2017 till now:

WORST....JAMEIS WINSTON: 70 TURNOVERS
SECOND WORST...JARED GOFF: 62 TURNOVERS

This where I drop the mike, right Mildred???

Well Shirley, I know who Greg Rosenthal is and I don't have any ATHLETIC subscriptions! And I'm certainly no DR. PHIL WANNABE!! Who wants to be inside somebody's head, particularly yours? It doesn't take a psychiatrist (at least somebody who has been reading your stuff for 15-20 years) to recognize your anger, venting and blame progression schtick.

Like you've done......how many losses have the Rams had the last 4 years?.......right, 21.....like you've done 21 times the last 4 years.

It's "Higbee ain't worth jackshit"....then Higbee plays better and he's "worth the money".
Or it's "Blythe couldn't block my Aunt Mildred if she was wearing leg irons"......then "he was a good signing".
Or Corbett was "kicked off the Cleveland Browns...isn't that the team that signed Kareem Hunt?".....then no negative mention of his play since.
Or it's "Noteboom is a bust just like the rest of that 2018 draft class".....but after playing a 6 quarters and allowing 1 sniff of Goff's jersey, crickets.

Now it's "Goff sucks and the least he could do is yell and scream at his team mates like Tom Brady" (who's got 3 less turnovers than Goff the last 3 games but 1 less win )

I get it. You vent, you kvetch, you rant and rave about this guy or that guy. Attach funny emoticons and cite WW battles and I love it all (well most of it). But by Monday evening I'm starting to wonder "has it burned itself out yet?" or "did he crack open that bottle of...?" or "I wish I had his address, I'd send him some xanex".

But nobody can ever accuse you of being even tempered or laid back. Of course nobody can ever accuse you of not loving the Rams, either.

[R4L]

Still haven't gotten rid of the trolls I see. Was hoping for some real football talk like avenger ram intended. Instead, the who's right and wrong comes knocking🤬

[CanuckRightWinger]

Trolls? Really R4L??
Trolls purposefully incite flame wars be posting off-topic, extraneous, or digressive statements.

None of that going on here IMO my friend!

Jared Goff's performance yesterday led to our Loss to SF. Nothing Off-Topic about that.

To what degree was that Niner Loss on Goff?
That seems to be the verbal tug-of-war that's going on now between longtime Rams fans who all have an emotional stake and longtime RealTimeInvestment skin-in-the-game.

Some feel that Goff is mostly responsible for the L.
Some feel that he is only partly to blame, as Football is a Team Sport.
Some even feel Goff is the victim of a stale and long-ago-decoded Offense architected by one Sean McVay.
Very few of us think it is SOLELY Goff's responsibility the Rams lost yesterday.....although it could be alleged that Goff has been savaged pretty mercilessly here in this thread over the past 22 hours or so.

But NONE of the above is "trolling" IMO.

See, IMHO....this below WOULD be trolling:

Gee, let me throw an olive branch to the Pro-Goff Defense League and let aeneas1 and Pennsylvania know that I concur that there are "other problems" besides Goff's Turnovers,
Poor Decisions,
Bad Eyesight,
Feckless Leadership,
Inaccurate Throws,
Slow Footspeed,
Lack of Agility,
Total Absence Of A Pocket-Clock
Small Hands Incapable of Ball Securing
Missing Sense Of Urgency Gland
Chronic Leadership Void
.....and other major weaknesses that I have missed.

Yes, BUT having said the above....I now concur with A1 and PA....

that clearly Sean McVay's Offensive Flexibilty is severely handicapped as SM finds himself clearly sandwiched between the limited abilities of a flawed and inconsistent QB yes, (as noted above)..........

BUT MCVAY IS ALSO HAMSTRUNG BY A WEAK OFFENSIVE LINE, THAT FAILS TO OPEN HOLES FOR OUR VERY CAPABLE RBs, AND CAN ONLY PASS BLOCK FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME.....WHICH FORCES McVAY TO ABANDON THE RUN & ADOPT A DINK&DUNK PASSING GAME, EVEN THOUGH KUPP & WOODS ARE STAR FIRST-RATE NFL WRs. CLEARLY WE NEED TO FIRE THE ARCHITECT OF THIS SAD-SACK RAMS OL, ONE AARON KROMER, AND FIND OUT IF BRANDON STALEY HAS A BROTHER OR A COUSIN WHO IS LOOKING TO BECOME A NFL OL COACH!!!

See R4L......now THAT is trolling!!!!

[SoCalRam78]

so this is where dick84 hangs out now? we were worried about you. good to see you around.

also, goff stinks. People ripping McVay for playcalling. Dude had Woods wide open on second and 5 and threw some high/inaccurate ball that the WR had no chance on. There's your easy pitch and catch. Before halftime he coughs up the ball as the Rams are going into FG range. His INTs are of the you gotta be kidding me variety? That one to sherman? Also how many d lineman are going to pick him off? on that pick 6 look at the route goff was throwing it too, the receiver was double covered. That ball gets by the lineman it's liekly picked off by a DB.

Just utterly brutal game by our QB.

[AvengerRam]

When I was probably around 9 or 10 years old, I went to one of my first NFL games at the old Orange Bowl.

During much of the game, Bob Griese was having a bad afternoon. A bunch of guys a few rows behind me took to chanting "WE WANT STROCK!!!" (referring to longtime Dolphins backup, Don Strock).

Strock was eventually brought in, and promptly threw an interception. The same guys then started a new chant "WE WANT GRIESE!!!!"

Guess not much has changed in 40+ years.

[ramsman34]

A1 will probably post some all-22 and we will see how many times Giff didn’t find or missed wide open targets.

Still, the lack of use/creativity of the RBs in the passing game doesn’t make sense. Especially if you have high % throws to them to limit chances of picks. They are both really good route runners and receivers. The call of the wheel route to Hendo was perfect and a sure TD had Goff thrown a better ball - that’s all on Goff.

Brown fumbled, Goff fumbled and 2 picks. But our D returned the favor with 2 fumbles and a pick. Not sure how many points off each for each team but the pick 6 and the fumble scoop and score were a wash. The real point is, Goff is pretty much solely responsible for his picks and fumbles. Had he not committed them, we have more drives that continue and possibly end in points. We also probably win that game. Maybe the Miami game too as Goff’s 4 TOs led to a lot of points for them and took points away from us as were were in the red zone at least on one fumble. The entire team was flat against the whiners the first game. But Goff threw a pick that game too. Goff simply has to cut way down on TOs, and MCV has to get a bit sharper with game plan adjustments against the really good defenses.

They have proved they are good enough to get to a SB. We will see if they are good enough to win one+.

I think they both are.

Also, I think it’s more important that Goff cuts way down on his TOs than it is MCV makes better adjustments. I think the all-22 will support that.

[PARAM]

A1 will probably post some all-22 and we will see how many times Giff didn’t find or missed wide open targets.

Still, the lack of use/creativity of the RBs in the passing game doesn’t make sense. Especially if you have high % throws to them to limit chances of picks. They are both really good route runners and receivers. The call of the wheel route to Hendo was perfect and a sure TD had Goff thrown a better ball - that’s all on Goff.

Brown fumbled, Goff fumbled and 2 picks. But our D returned the favor with 2 fumbles and a pick. Not sure how many points off each for each team but the pick 6 and the fumble scoop and score were a wash. The real point is, Goff is pretty much solely responsible for his picks and fumbles. Had he not committed them, we have more drives that continue and possibly end in points. We also probably win that game. Maybe the Miami game too as Goff’s 4 TOs led to a lot of points for them and took points away from us as were were in the red zone at least on one fumble. The entire team was flat against the whiners the first game. But Goff threw a pick that game too. Goff simply has to cut way down on TOs, and MCV has to get a bit sharper with game plan adjustments against the really good defenses.

They have proved they are good enough to get to a SB. We will see if they are good enough to win one+.

I think they both are.

Also, I think it’s more important that Goff cuts way down on his TOs than it is MCV makes better adjustments. I think the all-22 will support that.

McVay's offense is a great offense. He just seems to go into a trance sometimes. Like with the game tied with 3:11 left and 3 timeouts. Empty backfield, no chance of a run play. What's to defense? And still Goff had 3 straight completions. The D was bailing out on the snap, so why not run Akers or Henderson a couple of times and burn some clock? 2nd and 5 was the ideal time but Malcolm was in the backfield so that meant PASS.

I am no OC or ex-QB but IMHO, he had a major brain fart on that series. And there have been other brain farts. Like WR screens on third and goal from the 9 to cite one. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's all on Jared Goff and he's a shitty QB but I don't think so. He's done real well in the past, thrown dimes all over the field. But as Canuck said, he had an OL in 2017 and 2018 that didn't miss a guy for more than a half of football.

I don't know. I just know they gotta fix whatever it is.....quickly. I'd start with running the two young studs a lot more. And the swing pass or wheel route a couple times a game. Where's that play where all the WRs run deep routes and he play fakes to the RB, then hits him under the retreating LBs? Gurley used to be good for 15 - 20 everytime. Or to the house vs Dallas in the regular season.

[norcalramfan]

There's little doubt in my mind the Rams select a QB with their first pick (2nd round) in next years draft. Gotta create a sense of urgency and light a fire under Goff's butt by adding some real competition.

Just like the Eagles created options by taking Jalen Hurts, look for Snead and McVay to select the Ram QB of the future.

[Haden]

When I was probably around 9 or 10 years old, I went to one of my first NFL games at the old Orange Bowl.

During much of the game, Bob Griese was having a bad afternoon. A bunch of guys a few rows behind me took to chanting "WE WANT STROCK!!!" (referring to longtime Dolphins backup, Don Strock).

Strock was eventually brought in, and promptly threw an interception. The same guys then started a new chant "WE WANT GRIESE!!!!"

Guess not much has changed in 40+ years.

Only difference is that Strock was pretty decent whereas we have nothing behind Goff (no other options as you have indicated). We are stuck with Goff for better or worse. But I get your point.

When I was a kid, my dad took me to see the Rams playing the Vikings in the "Mud Bowl" at the Coliseum. Bob Lee was throwing up rainbows that somehow worked while Pat Haden was laying an egg. The drunk guy behind me kept yelling "Bring in Joe Willie!!!! Bring in Joe Willie!!!" Alas, Namath never made an appearance and the Vikings won.