[AvengerRam]

Does anyone really miss the Washington Bullets, Hartford Whalers (yes, they moved, but that name was kind of...I mean, come on... glorifying killing whales?), or the St. Johns Redmen?

[St. Loser Fan]

I felt sorry for the Satanists when the Tampa Bay Devil Rays dropped the “Devil” part.

[rams74]

Does anyone really miss the Washington Bullets?

You'd have to ask a Washington/Baltimore NBA fan, but I would think, yes.

Had the Wizards ever accomplished anything to make anyone forget Elvin Hayes, then it might be a different answer.

[moklerman]

Oh and about this part. Because we should all just trust our collective innate human goodness to always change for the better on our own since that's worked out SO WELL in history right?

If it absolutely requires someone/something forcing us to change for the better, then so be it.

That works both ways. Should we trust the PC crowd that has no interest in most subject matters other than to tell other people what to do?

If the Redskins was such a terrible, social injustice the market would have equalized itself. But for decades, most didn't care and/or actually liked and had pride in the name. It is VERY debatable as to whether there are really any fans out there being offended by the existence of the name.

I'd argue that there are just as many Native Americans who are proud to be remembered, celebrated and represented by the name the Washington Redskins. As I pointed out earlier, there are at least a couple of Native American schools that use "Redskins" as their mascot to this day.

I could be wrong but this stinks very much of white people telling everyone how they should feel guilty or why they should be offended when they weren't in the first place.

I won't be surprised at all if Snyder is forced to change the name and he erases all mention of Native Americans. Won't that be a nice way to honor our indigenous people. Chiefs and Indians will be next. Vikings won't be far behind.

Because that's the whole point. Give these PC whackos the tiniest bit of power and you'll see what they do with it. I mean, we are at a point that statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are being torn down and schools being re-named. This isn't about what's right, it's about claiming and using power.

[moklerman]

One man's PC police is another man's market forces.

If they were being forced by the PC crowd, it would've happened a while ago.

If it happens now, it will be because companies like FedEx and Nike (not to mention the NFL) think the name is bad for business...

And, the ironic thing is that the people the NFL are cow-towing to, DON'T spend money. They couldn't care less about sports merchandise or tickets. They just want to force someone to think the way they do. In the long run, the NFL pandering to the PC crowd will cost them more than it earns them.

That crowd cannot be pleased. If you bow to them, they will just find something new to attack you over. If you apologize, they know they've got you. At the end of the day, they aren't spending any money on your product or it's advertisers. I really don't get why billionaires are "bending the knee" to these special interest groups.

[St. Loser Fan]

If the Redskins was such a terrible, social injustice the market would have equalized itself. But for decades, most didn't care and/or actually liked and had pride in the name. It is VERY debatable as to whether there are really any fans out there being offended by the existence of the name.

I think if it was any other owner besides Daniel Snyder, they would have changed. Not that he's racist, but because he's got bad little rich man syndrome and wants nobody to tell him what to do. Name aside: look at how else he's destroyed a once great franchise.

I'd argue that there are just as many Native Americans who are proud to be remembered, celebrated and represented by the name the Washington Redskins.

Thank you for standing up for these Native Americans who like the Redskins name. I'm sure they appreciate the help.

As I pointed out earlier, there are at least a couple of Native American schools that use "Redskins" as their mascot to this day.

I could be wrong but this stinks very much of white people telling everyone how they should feel guilty or why they should be offended when they weren't in the first place

There were 93 schools with the Redskins names and some of them have a primarily Native American enrollment. The number is now down to the 40's
https://cnsmaryland.org/more-than-a-mas ... h-schools/

And a number of the schools that remain are looking to change.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/its-nev ... 454b7.html

I could be wrong but this stinks very much of white people telling everyone how they should feel guilty or why they should be offended when they weren't in the first place.

The group that led the lawsuit against the Redskins trademark was Native American.
https://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?qt=adv&pno=92046185

[Will0120]

That works both ways. Should we trust the PC crowd that has no interest in most subject matters other than to tell other people what to do?

If the Redskins was such a terrible, social injustice the market would have equalized itself. But for decades, most didn't care and/or actually liked and had pride in the name. It is VERY debatable as to whether there are really any fans out there being offended by the existence of the name.

I'd argue that there are just as many Native Americans who are proud to be remembered, celebrated and represented by the name the Washington Redskins. As I pointed out earlier, there are at least a couple of Native American schools that use "Redskins" as their mascot to this day.

I could be wrong but this stinks very much of white people telling everyone how they should feel guilty or why they should be offended when they weren't in the first place.

I won't be surprised at all if Snyder is forced to change the name and he erases all mention of Native Americans. Won't that be a nice way to honor our indigenous people. Chiefs and Indians will be next. Vikings won't be far behind.

Because that's the whole point. Give these PC whackos the tiniest bit of power and you'll see what they do with it. I mean, we are at a point that statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are being torn down and schools being re-named. This isn't about what's right, it's about claiming and using power.

Nothing better than (and let me assume here) a man belonging to the majority group speaking on a minority group's behalf on what constitutes as offensive or not.

If you do not belong to the minority group that the name in question is alluding to, I gently ask you to STFU and LISTEN to what they have to say. If the First Nations are saying this is offensive/racist/whatever the hell negative emotion it's causing them, then STFU and welcome the change. Ain't no rocket science here. Case closed. Stop bringing in other "extreme" examples to "prove" your point here. That's just derailing the discussion at hand.

[St. Loser Fan]

[moklerman]

Nothing better than (and let me assume here) a man belonging to the majority group speaking on a minority group's behalf on what constitutes as offensive or not.

If you do not belong to the minority group that the name in question is alluding to, I gently ask you to STFU and LISTEN to what they have to say. If the First Nations are saying this is offensive/racist/whatever the hell negative emotion it's causing them, then STFU and welcome the change. Ain't no rocket science here. Case closed. Stop bringing in other "extreme" examples to "prove" your point here. That's just derailing the discussion at hand.

Then you're a part of the problem. It's this "STFU" attitude that has permeated our society that is un-American. It is that segregationist attitude that leads to more problems that it solves. Do you even realize how racist your attitude is? Is it ignorance or hypocrisy?

I have listened to what is being said but that doesn't mean I HAVE to agree with it. It is argued that our country is based on systemic racism for example. Are you seriously suggesting that I have to just accept that from special interest groups who have ulterior motives? To accept something that doesn't have much objective evidence to support it?

No, I don't have to accept anecdotal, out of context accounts just because a minority expressed them.

[Will0120]

Then you're a part of the problem. It's this "STFU" attitude that has permeated our society that is un-American. It is that segregationist attitude that leads to more problems that it solves. Do you even realize how racist your attitude is? Is it ignorance or hypocrisy?

I have listened to what is being said but that doesn't mean I HAVE to agree with it. It is argued that our country is based on systemic racism for example. Are you seriously suggesting that I have to just accept that from special interest groups who have ulterior motives? To accept something that doesn't have much objective evidence to support it?

No, I don't have to accept anecdotal, out of context accounts just because a minority expressed them.

You are so far gone that I don't even know how to respond anymore. Are you even re-reading your posts before submitting it? I am a "segregationist" (whatever the f that even means in this context) because I suggested that you LISTEN to a minority group on an issue pertinent to them? I am a racist because I suggested that you do not speak on behalf of a minority group if you are not part of it? Where do you come up with these gems anyways?

No one said that you have to agree to what the minority group said, just LISTEN with an open mind which you clearly and unfortunately do not have the capacity to do. If you don't agree, that's fine. We can certainly all discuss the topic but for f's sake don't try to reinforce your position by pretending you know what's best and speaking for the minority group.

Last but not least,

"Are you seriously suggesting that I have to just accept that from special interest groups who have ulterior motives?"

Whatever the hell ulterior motive is there for changing a sports team name that's offensive to the First Nations aka your so called "special interest group" (that is insulting as hell btw. I'd be supremely insulted if I was First Nations)? Are the First Nations revenue sharing in the new team merchandise being sold or something now? The First Nations is simply trying to right a wrong that literally have NO IMPACT on your day to day life. Good for them and let them I say.