[Joe Pendleton]

it's funny.. but, i remember it like it was yesterday.. Georgia saying on national tv after the super bowl "i was right to move the rams to st louis".. effen' ho (and hit chick).. simply imo

[St. Loser Fan]

I don't care about anyone's motives.

The Rams (and the NFL) left open the possibility of a lawsuit when they broke their own rules for teams moving, and as a result of deception over that put St.L in a position where they made a good faith effort to retain the team.

That's enough to make the case for this lawsuit, which could lead either to a settlement or St.L winning the case. And good for them. Like the Rams when they moved, the city did what was best for them in filing the suit.

I am not Kroenke's buddy and it has no effect on my fandom whatsoever if he loses a lawsuit or has to settle. I'm a fan of a sports team, not the owner, and when he pulls off good things I applaud, and when he loses I don't care and shrug. Either way I don't feel compelled to defend him no matter what, and to be genuinely frank about it, I don't get why others do feel compelled to defend him. He's just the owner. He's as open to both praise and criticism as any player or coach is.

If St.L wins, which is the likely outcome, I won't care either way, except to think okay St.L took advantage of an opportunity and good for them. And I also think that if Kroenke was never going to deal in good faith with St.L (which is clearly and obviously the case) then he should have at least have been smarter about leaving behind a trail of evidence basically proving that.

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It doesn’t help that
-Stan never took one single call and refused to ever meet with the mayor of St. Louis.
-Stan only met with the governor of Missouri once. That meeting was described as short with Stan being dismissive of everything: even rude.
-the relocation letter was written by the Rams with such anger and bitterness towards St. Louis and it’s fans.

[Hacksaw]

It doesn’t help that
-Stan never took one single call and refused to ever meet with the mayor of St. Louis.
-Stan only met with the governor of Missouri once. That meeting was described as short with Stan being dismissive of everything: even rude.
-the relocation letter was written by the Rams with such anger and bitterness towards St. Louis and it’s fans.

So this makes it sound like an emotionally driven lawsuit.

@/zn/ , wft do NFL guidelines have to do with grounds? they are merely guidelines. Perhaps StL was just being foolish to put so much emphasis/trust in them, and ESK considering the circumstances. Especially after breaking the lease agreement which was a legally binding contract.

BTW, yes I'm a bigger fan of ESK than that of GF for obvious reasons, but he's no friend if mine either. No matter what, the Rams and the NFL are both better off he undid what GF did.

[RamDog]

Because of general dissinterest and the fact that I frequented another Rams discussion board that didnt permit this discission topic, I seem to be way out of touch here.

But with dollar figures so astrnomical, im now curious.

So I ask, why exactly would the city win the lawsuit? If the Rams excercised simply their option to leave, whats the main dissagreement?

[St. Loser Fan]

So this makes it sound like an emotionally driven lawsuit.

@/zn/ , wft do NFL guidelines have to do with grounds? they are merely guidelines. Perhaps StL was just being foolish to put so much emphasis/trust in them, and ESK considering the circumstances. Especially after breaking the lease agreement which was a legally binding contract.

BTW, yes I'm a bigger fan of ESK than that of GF for obvious reasons, but he's no friend if mine either. No matter what, the Rams and the NFL are both better off he undid what GF and Stan did.

Fixed that for you.

In 1993 ____________ gave what was described as one of the worst presentations ever heard by NFL owners. ____________ was unprepared, looked down almost constantly and spoke so quietly he had to be asked to speak up multiple times. When ____________ was done the league officials instead gave the Jaguars to Jacksonville.

In 1994 ____________ purchased the lease to the Dome in St. Louis in order to try and attract a team from another city.

In 1995 after Los Angeles and Anaheim decided they would do nothing to keep the Rams, ____________ went to Georgia and offered her the lease to the Dome in St. Louis as long as he became part owner.

In all cases that ____________ is "Stan Kroenke"

[St. Loser Fan]

So this makes it sound like an emotionally driven lawsuit.

It completely is. If Stan and Demoff wouldn't have written that emotionally driven relocation letter the lawsuit never would have happened.

wft do NFL guidelines have to do with grounds? they are merely guidelines. Perhaps StL was just being foolish to put so much emphasis/trust in them, and ESK considering the circumstances. Especially after breaking the lease agreement which was a legally binding contract.

There are additional documents.



There are similar documents from 1996 and 1989: signed by both the US Conference of Mayors (including St. Louis) and the NFL.

If the NFL doesn't want to be bothered with this sort of stuff and move teams as it damn well pleases it should start paying for it's own stadiums: 100% of the costs.

[St. Loser Fan]

Because of general dissinterest and the fact that I frequented another Rams discussion board that didnt permit this discission topic, I seem to be way out of touch here.

But with dollar figures so astrnomical, im now curious.

So I ask, why exactly would the city win the lawsuit? If the Rams excercised simply their option to leave, whats the main dissagreement?

That the Rams and the NFL didn't engage in good faith negotiations. Even after St. Louis produced a partially publicly financed, designed, location secured and 30 year naming rights stadium plan the NFL still moved the team back to LA.

The NFL gave St. Louis a checklist to keep the Rams and the city crossed off every item. But after Stan agreed to indemnify other others the NFL said "doesn't matter."

[Hacksaw]

It completely is. If Stan and Demoff wouldn't have written that emotionally driven relocation letter the lawsuit never would have happened.


There are additional documents.



There are similar documents from 1996 and 1989: signed by both the US Conference of Mayors (including St. Louis) and the NFL.

If the NFL doesn't want to be bothered with this sort of stuff and move teams as it damn well pleases it should start paying for it's own stadiums: 100% of the costs.

Good stuff and I'm sure it will be an interesting read..

Edit: Well it wasn't that interesting afterall. No smoking gun. Sure some of the language shows a consideration or desired commitment by the NFL to play nice with the lucky cities to be blessed and benefitted by having an NFL franchise named after their city. But nothing is in stone.
The lease was a binding contractual agreement which had agreed upon specifics which were broken by StL in this case. The Mayors commitment doesn't meet that level.

Ironically, judging by the date of the guideline ammendment document, this was an attempt to make team movement more difficult after Los Angeles lost its 2 NFL franchises. Perhaps that irony could show league motive for the relocation 20 years later, if that's even relevant.
I still don't see how StL gets around or explains the breach of lease to anyone not from there. .

[St. Loser Fan]

Article from LA Times. Interesting though that a baseball writer was given the task.

[Hacksaw]

"Circuit Court Judge Christopher McGraugh ruled that the relocation policy was akin to a contract in that it “contains obligations and promises that may be enforceable in a court of law” and that “many provisions of the relocation policy were intended for the benefit of a club’s home territory.”

This is the clown Judge who we should try not to confuse with Roy Bean.

After reading that Spanos and Davis filed their own greviences against Kroenke while the SD team skates on his coattails already,, StL, please take the Chargers.