[BuiltRamTough]

Free Stan Kroenke!

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So tired of this lawsuit. I still don't see how 750 million is warranted. I say give them 150 mil provisional on them saying thank you for allowing them to rent the Rams for 21 years. They got a SB Championship out of it, isn't that worth a lot? Just get it over with and move on. St. Louisans can love their Cardinals and Blues. They have a sports team every month of the year.

[St. Loser Fan]

So tired of this lawsuit. I still don't see how 750 million is warranted. I say give them 150 mil provisional on them saying thank you for allowing them to rent the Rams for 21 years. They got a SB Championship out of it, isn't that worth a lot? Just get it over with and move on. St. Louisans can love their Cardinals and Blues. They have a sports team every month of the year.

The Rams part of this might be over next week. But there must be some bad sh*t somewhere if Kroenke is offering that much money. Stan is never one to settle or not battle for years in court. Why would this be the first time he’s settled before trial?

[PARAM]

The Rams part of this might be over next week. But there must be some bad sh*t somewhere if Kroenke is offering that much money. Stan is never one to settle or not battle for years in court. Why would this be the first time he’s settled before trial?

What "bad shit" can there possibly be? They wanted out. They had an out. They took the out. All this "you misled us" is optics for the fans. They lured them with a deal they couldn't honor. It may be they figured 'get them here and try every trick in the book to keep them here' including a lawsuit if they try to leave. All this talk about 'what's Kroenke worried about', I'd love to hear some inside things about the crew that brought them to St. Louis. They knew it would end like this. It had to because they couldn't afford the top 25% or a new stadium. Everybody is looking at Kroenke and the Rams when St. Louis was never operating on good faith.

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What "bad shit" can there possibly be? They wanted out. They had an out. They took the out. All this "you misled us" is optics for the fans

The lawsuit is not about wanting out, having an out, and taking an out.

The lawsuit is simple and it would not have happened if they Rams had not left behind a whole bunch of material St.L could use. This is because the Rams did not clean up after themselves.

The gist of the lawsuit is this. According to the evidence the Rams themselves sort of accidently just handed to the city, the Rams and the league both knowingly violated NFL rules in planning the move, and in the process cost the city money. And near as we can tell from everything that has come up, that lawsuit is completely correct.

So the Rams get a chance to move and take it, and we say, good for them, do what you have to do for yourselves.

The Rams leave behind a bunch of material that reveals they and the NFL were knowingly violating league rules when it comes to the move, and people DON'T go yeah, hey St.L they gave you an opportunity, use it, do what you have to for yourselves, go for it.

St.L screws up the original negotiations with the Rams and give Kroenke an out, and we go, yeah way to go that's how you do things.

The Rams screw up by unintentionally handing St.L a bunch of material that they can use in a lawsuit, and we DON'T go yeah way to go St.L you make the best of your opportunities, make some money for the city, that's how you do things.

So facts aside, we're just partisan pro Rams on this issue, and that's about all it amounts to really. It's nothing more than that.

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[Joe Pendleton]

..somewhere Caroll Rosenbloom is laughing

[Hacksaw]

The lawsuit is not about wanting out, having an out, and taking an out.

The lawsuit is simple and it would not have happened if they Rams had not left behind a whole bunch of material St.L could use. This is because the Rams did not clean up after themselves.

The gist of the lawsuit is this. According to the evidence the Rams themselves sort of accidently just handed to the city, the Rams and the league both knowingly violated NFL rules in planning the move, and in the process cost the city money. And near as we can tell from everything that has come up, that lawsuit is completely correct.

So the Rams get a chance to move and take it, and we say, good for them, do what you have to do for yourselves.

The Rams leave behind a bunch of material that reveals they and the NFL were knowingly violating league rules when it comes to the move, and people DON'T go yeah, hey St.L they gave you an opportunity, use it, do what you have to for yourselves, go for it.

St.L screws up the original negotiations with the Rams and give Kroenke an out, and we go, yeah way to go that's how you do things.

The Rams screw up by unintentionally handing St.L a bunch of material that they can use in a lawsuit, and we DON'T go yeah way to go St.L you make the best of your opportunities, make some money for the city, that's how you do things.

So facts aside, we're just partisan pro Rams on this issue, and that's about all it amounts to really. It's nothing more than that.

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The NFL never wanted the LA Rams in StL (remember it was at the threat of lawsuit by GF that they finally capitulated) and aftet the GF regime ended, the new ownership saw a business opportunity in the teams former home. Whether they were communicating about that prior to any move seems irrelevant. All of that would be moot if the StL group had simply not breached their contract. All the rest came after. The team would still be there at least until 2025. After that all bets would have been off anyway.

Where does it say anywhere that the city of StL lost 750 million to a billion dollars or more? How can they quantify that reward?
The amount and the fact that this is still ongoing has the ring of the same corrupt behavior (see local judges) the Sports Authority took with the Rams regarding honoring their lease terms. They did not act honorably and now they're mad because the team left, simple as that. All the money they spent trying to force the team to stay was all after the fact.
So unless it can be proven that the NFL and Rams were solely out to try to cost StL money and grief for that purpose only, this is all a bunch if sour grapes.

[St. Loser Fan]

What "bad shit" can there possibly be? They wanted out. They had an out. They took the out. All this "you misled us" is optics for the fans. They lured them with a deal they couldn't honor. It may be they figured 'get them here and try every trick in the book to keep them here' including a lawsuit if they try to leave. All this talk about 'what's Kroenke worried about', I'd love to hear some inside things about the crew that brought them to St. Louis. They knew it would end like this. It had to because they couldn't afford the top 25% or a new stadium. Everybody is looking at Kroenke and the Rams when St. Louis was never operating on good faith.

Then you explain to me why Stan is looking to settle for $500 million to $750 million and alienate other owners by leaving them to fend for themselves?

If he did nothing wrong and has nothing to hide, why is he eager to avoid court?

[Hacksaw]

Then you explain to me why Stan is looking to settle for $500 million to $750 million and alienate other owners by leaving them to fend for themselves?

If he did nothing wrong and has nothing to hide, why is he eager to avoid court?

That's a good question. That part doesn't make sense. The matter regarding StL seems fairly cut-and-dry. Perhaps there is some non StL related NFL information in those files recovered that Kroenke would like to distance himself from (if thats somehow possible). That might explain him reversing his offer to indemnify too.
The motivation of StL is still suspect considering the lease breach.
I really don't think for a minute StL is in this for any other reason than sour grapes and revenge for getting jilted. Or is it a simple money grab pound of flesh driven thing? What other motive could it be? To do the world a favor and bring some dirty laundry to light?

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The NFL never wanted the LA Rams in StL (remember it was at the threat of lawsuit by GF that they finally capitulated) and aftet the GF regime ended, the new ownership saw a business opportunity in the teams former home. Whether they were communicating about that prior to any move seems irrelevant. All of that would be moot if the StL group had simply not breached their contract. All the rest came after. The team would still be there at least until 2025. After that all bets would have been off anyway.

Where does it say anywhere that the city of StL lost 750 million to a billion dollars or more? How can they quantify that reward?
The amount and the fact that this is still ongoing has the ring of the same corrupt behavior (see local judges) the Sports Authority took with the Rams regarding hiniring their lease terms. They did not act honorably and now they're mad because the team left, simple as that. All the money they spent trying to force the team to stay was all after the fact.
So unless it can be proven that the NFL and Rams were solely out to try to cost StL money and grief for that purpose only, this is all a bunch if sour grapes.

I don't care about anyone's motives.

The Rams (and the NFL) left open the possibility of a lawsuit when they broke their own rules for teams moving, and as a result of deception over that put St.L in a position where they made a good faith effort to retain the team.

That's enough to make the case for this lawsuit, which could lead either to a settlement or St.L winning the case. And good for them. Like the Rams when they moved, the city did what was best for them in filing the suit.

I am not Kroenke's buddy and it has no effect on my fandom whatsoever if he loses a lawsuit or has to settle. I'm a fan of a sports team, not the owner, and when he pulls off good things I applaud, and when he loses I don't care and shrug. Either way I don't feel compelled to defend him no matter what, and to be genuinely frank about it, I don't get why others do feel compelled to defend him. He's just the owner. He's as open to both praise and criticism as any player or coach is.

If St.L wins, which is the likely outcome, I won't care either way, except to think okay St.L took advantage of an opportunity and good for them. And I also think that if Kroenke was never going to deal in good faith with St.L (which is clearly and obviously the case) then he should have at least have been smarter about leaving behind a trail of evidence basically proving that.

And basically all St.L needs to demonstrate is that the NFL did not follow its own rules when it comes to teams moving, but publicly hid that fact. That's all St.L needs. I say if that bothers people then they should maybe be annoyed at the Rams for not covering their own tracks more effectively.

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