[Extremes]

Well in the abstract, Goff aside, I count being comeback clutch as an important top qb trait. Not the only important qb trait. But it's one of the ones I personally look for.

In terms of Goff, he has shown signs he has it but it's probably too soon to say. Really, from 2017 to now, it has only been 26 games (counting Atlanta). They were in that situation against Seattle in 2017, Phil in 2017, Tenn in 2017, Seattle in 2018, GB in 2018, and N.O. in 2018. They won 3 of those 6 which is 50%, and really, 50% is a good rate. BUT for me, 26 games is too soon to say. I just am kind of keeping track as it goes along.

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You forgot to mention Redskins 2017, 49ers 2016, Dolphins 2016. He is actually 3-9, 33%.

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You forgot to mention Redskins 2017, 49ers 2016, Dolphins 2016. He is actually 3-9, 33%.

Yeah I was working from memory, I didn't look. But I directly and deliberately specified that I was looking at 2017 on to now. I don't count 2016 in this because SO MANY things were "off" in 2016 (and for so many reasons) that I don't see it as telling anyone anything real.

You can count 2016 if you want and then we come up with different numbers, and I will stand by mine. I mean I deliberately started with 2017.

And Washington 2017?

The Rams tied the game at 7:16 in the 4th quarter, and then Washington scored the winning TD at 1:55.

Goff then threw the INT with under 2 minutes left. So that counts. My memory was "off."

So yes I was wrong, that one makes it 3 of 7 or 42.8% --which while not tops is, believe it or not, still pretty good.

In 2017 (the last chart I have of this) that percentage would put him at 4th in the league in terms of comeback win percentage, behind only Brady, Luck, and Wilson and ahead of guys like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Palmer, Brees, Rivers, and Rodgers. For all those qbs that's career percentages, not just 2017...the chart (which I used in a different thread) just happens to be from 2017.

BUT as I said, for Goff that's from just 26 games (2017 + Atlanta + 9 games in 2018) which, to me anyway, isn't enough to be firm about the percentage.

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[aeneas1]

Aaron Rodgers hasn’t come back to win a game after trailing in the 4th Q against a team with a winning record.
He did come back against Chicago in the opener but technically they were 0-0
I guess Rodgers hasn’t gotten there yet.

It’s a fallacy imo that Goff isn’t there yet. He came back against Dallas last year, Tennessee too. Has a couple this year.
The idea that the “elite” make these comebacks every time is just false.

the number of times teams have won despite trailing in the 4th quarter this season (and gsot era), hopefully goff can get his shit together and move up the list before it's too late:

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[69RamFan]

the number of times teams have won despite trailing in the 4th quarter this season (and gsot era), hopefully goff can get his shit together and move up the list before it's too late:

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I've mention this once before in one of my postings either on this site or another....

Personally,,,, I rather be winning by a lead the whole game, than worry about how many comeback from behind to win a game in the clutch.....

It doesnt prove anything whether you win from up front or from behind...
The key is just win the game...

We're 8-1 with 2 out of 3 comeback wins...

Or would you want a record of 5-4 with four comeback wins,,,,,
does those four comeback win make a QB better or you team better...

Now being down by 21 pts... and tying the game at 35.... that shows me, even if we had a bad game on the D side of the ball,,, we still had a chance to comeback and win a game... It just shows me this team has plenty of character, they didn't throw in the towel at half time...

[aeneas1]

I've mention this once before in one of my postings either on this site or another....

Personally,,,, I rather be winning by a lead the whole game, than worry about how many comeback from behind to win a game in the clutch.....

It doesnt prove anything whether you win from up front or from behind...
The key is just win the game...

We're 8-1 with 2 out of 3 comeback wins...

Or would you want a record of 5-4 with four comeback wins,,,,,
does those four comeback win make a QB better or you team better...

Now being down by 21 pts... and tying the game at 35.... that shows me, even if we had a bad game on the D side of the ball,,, we still had a chance to comeback and win a game... It just shows me this team has plenty of character, they didn't throw in the towel at half time...

that's exactly right imo... i tend to look at football as 3 units challenged to get their jobs done... when an offense puts up 35, like the rams did last week, especially on the road against a top team, that's getting the job done in my book, that's more than getting the job done in my book, and i don't care if those points came in the first half, second half, or throughout the game... and when a defense can't hold an offense to under 35, it hasn't done its as far as i'm concerned, in fact i consider it an enormous fail.

[69RamFan]

that's exactly right imo... i tend to look at football as 3 units challenged to get their jobs done... when an offense puts up 35, like the rams did last week, especially on the road against a top team, that's getting the job done in my book, that's more than getting the job done in my book, and i don't care if those points came in the first half, second half, or throughout the game... and when a defense can't hold an offense to under 35, it hasn't done its as far as i'm concerned, in fact i consider it an enormous fail.

Yes the Defense had a BIG hiccup in the first half.... they didn't show up...
They did show up in the 3rd qtr and till the last TD with 3mins left...

If they could of played their defense in the first two qtrs the same way for the last two qtrs... then it would of been a different story...

I'm not too concern,,, especially when Talibs comes back after the bye weekend...

Then we should be in full strength as long as we don't get any other major injuries between now and then....

At the same time,,, we should see Fowler and OO get more playing time and snaps underneath their belts to improve the D....

This lost should be a blessing in disguise,,,,
Now they know where their mistakes and should fix those problems...

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Personally,,,, I rather be winning by a lead the whole game, than worry about how many comeback from behind to win a game in the clutch.....

Of course. And also of course, I want every day to be my birthday, to live forever, and be able to eat pie all the time without gaining weight. Oh and people to just give me some land near a lake. Lots of it.

It's a false dichotomy. You can have a team that can dominate the scoreboard AND one that can come back late from ties and being behind.

I mean. Brees did it. Just last Sunday.

The 99 Rams set several offensive records and they were in 4 come from behind games. They lost 2 (Det. and Tenn.) and then fortunately for us, didn't listen to you and went ahead and won the other 2 (Tampa, won with 4:44 left coming back down from down by 1, and the super bowl, where they broke a tie for the win with 1:54 left).

Close games happen. To all teams. Like it or not. It's just good to win them.

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[aeneas1]

I think I couldn't find it on my phone one time and I kinda gave up. Lol.

I'll try again this week. I hope they come back angry.

yes, give it another try, we're trying out a new chat service... on your phone, click the hamburger icon (dropdown menu) and click chat, should take you to the dicsord (chat) website where you can register and start chatting... and, yeah, i hope they come out angry too, how great would it be to see them take their loss out on seattle and absolutely just crush them?!?

[69RamFan]

Of course. And also of course, I want every day to be my birthday, to live forever, and be able to eat pie all the time without gaining weight. Oh and people to just give me some land near a lake. Lots of it.

It's a false dichotomy. You can have a team that can dominate the scoreboard AND one that can come back late from ties and being behind.

I mean. Brees did it. Just last Sunday.

The 99 Rams set several offensive records and they were in 4 come from behind games. They lost 2 (Det. and Tenn.) and then fortunately for us, didn't listen to you and went ahead and won the other 2 (Tampa, won with 4:44 left coming back down from down by 1, and the super bowl, where they broke a tie for the win with 1:54 left).

Close games happen. To all teams. Like it or not. It's just good to win them.

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I meant to just say,,, some posters, get fixated about what is an elite QB, and the first thing they mention,,, they need to have been able to have a memorable comeback win,,,

But my point was,,, it doesn't matter whether its a win from the front or coming from behind,,, they key is winning the game...

Its just like the Miami Dolphins,,, they are the only undefeated team to win a SB....

But is it any less meaning for another other team that wins a SB???? Its not for me....

I thought the 99 season was a special season for the RAMs and I'll put that season on top of any SB season for any other teams...