[SWAdude]

I am on in vacation in the caribbean wearing a Rams hat.

I have been confronted to strongly, three times.

I am quickly losing respect for the St Louis crowd. I can reasonably empathize, but its as if I did the move myself. I would have if I could have, but come on. They all admit to be much larger baseball fans than Rams fans.

I don't believe the old Los Angeles fans lost the Rams. The St Louis fans certainly did.

Screw em.

[Stranger]

There are some good guys out there from St.Louis who are hurting. No doubt about that. I truly respect those that are taking the high road because this is not an easy thing to endure when the Rams have become a part of there lives. The ones that really strike a chord with me are the family guys talking about not being able to take their kids to the game and share those moments. I feel for them the most.

Spot on, and I can relate. My kids are grown now and would rather experience things with their friends,,, and football just isn't in their life experience anyway. Bummer

I am beyond ecstatic that I can now take my two children to the games, and let them share that experience with me. When I was a kid, I almost always had to go to game alone or find someone to drag along - I had a pair of season tix on the 40yrd line and sometimes I couldn't find someone to go with me... can u believe that?

Yeah, I'm raising my kids to be Rams fans, and it's going to be a blast for us. They saw my excitment since Tuesday, excitement they've never seen out of their dad before. But even tho they are small and aren't really sure what's going on, they are now excited as well.

[Stranger]

I am on in vacation in the caribbean wearing a Rams hat.

I have been confronted to strongly, three times.

I am quickly losing respect for the St Louis crowd. I can reasonably emphasize, but its as if I did the move myself. I would have if I could have, but come on. They all admit to be much larger baseball fans than Rams fans.

I don't believe the old Los Angeles fans lost the Rams. The St Louis fans certainly did.

Screw em.

StL fans have approached you on the cruise? Wow.

Any LA fans come up to you with excitement?

[SWAdude]

I am on in vacation in the caribbean wearing a Rams hat.

I have been confronted to strongly, three times.

I am quickly losing respect for the St Louis crowd. I can reasonably empathize, but its as if I did the move myself. I would have if I could have, but come on. They all admit to be much larger baseball fans than Rams fans.

I don't believe the old Los Angeles fans lost the Rams. The St Louis fans certainly did.

Screw em.

StL fans have approached you on the cruise? Wow.

Any LA fans come up to you with excitement?

No one yet to be excited about the move.

I kind of expected being a west coast guy in the caribbean I might be around more people from the midwest. It was silly today. Others were uncomfortable about this guys anger. Sharing a bus and guy with his wife and they were totally in our face. I told him we understand but he had to go on about how they loath Stan. I said we felt the same about Georgia but did so well before she moved the team. Told them how nice we thought St Louis sports fans were when we visited but they didn't back down.They of course are not fans for the team now.

We certainly wouldn't have done the same thing back in the day.

[bluecoconuts]

I wouldn't take anything personal, in my experience traveling to St Louis, they tend to have stronger ties to the city, and thus they root for St Louis more than the Cardinals, Blues, Rams, etc. They'll go through various ways of grieving and some will stay, some will leave, some will return.. I find it humorous that some St Louis fans, after gushing over the Riverfront stadium are trying to say the Inglewood stadium isn't all that great, but that's part of how I know they're just upset about what happened.

Give em time, it's not going to be easy.

[Hacksaw]

You guys mean to tell me that they would actually be more upset if ESK had taken StL to LA and left the Rams? err ,, , oh nevermind.

[den-the-coach]

You guys mean to tell me that they would actually be more upset if ESK had taken StL to LA and left the Rams? err ,, , oh nevermind.

Well, let's put it this way if he had taken all the St. Louis Ram fans to LA, they would be happy and who wouldn't? Traffic sucks, but it sure beats the hell out of snow and not Jack Snow.

[The Ripper]

Two things on this thread:

1. I remember an interview with John Shaw where he said the top tier clause was a consolation clause that STL threw in cause they wouldn't agree to something else (I forgot what Shaw really wanted). So the top tier clause was pure serendipity for Shaw and the Rams. Shaw is a very lucky guy. He graduated from my alma mater, NYU, and he admitted he never went to class and just scrapped by. Somehow he got connected with Georgia when CR suddenly perished in that suspicious accident. Well, ever since then he's led a charmed life. He's probably a pretty shrew guy, but he ran the Rams into the ground and led a extremely dysfunctional organization. He hit the lottery again when Vermeil decided to make a comeback, and again Shaw was shocked that he pulled it off. That was it for Shaw. He made money for Georgia, and hired DV. Everything else he did was awful, especially for Rams fans.

2. The only people I feel for are the young kids in STL who have grown up with the Rams and have never known another team in STL and who truly love the Rams. I could care less about guys like Karraker, Bernie, or any older fan who was a STL Cardinals fan and would turn into a Jags fan the second they stepped foot in STL.

That interview was with Bernie and the quote which has been added on to over the years is BS. Shaw asked the same thing of both Baltimore and St Louis both refused. He wanted scheduled maintenance and renovations covered by the city and funded annually. The basic form is in the Ravens lease now. The other problem with Bernie's bs interview is that other teams including the Seahawks had similar clauses in their leases. Ken Behring tried to use the clause to bolt from Seattle but failed since King County had agreed to cover the repairs.

[ramfaninsd]

I have been insulted by the St. Louis faction for so many years and so long on so many boards: they use so many different names.

I now have a bizzarre hatred for the StL Fans because of how they have treated me for years.

And, this is way before relocation heated up. The Stl Fans have been horrible on other team boards for YEARS. I sincerely hope LA fans do not act as horrible as the StL fans did.

Mr.St.Louis and RamsFanz made a thread about me on ROD where they called me a Hooker because I had him banned on an Arizona board they were trolling. And all ROD posters laughed at it and supported him. Including X.

I was so horrified at my fellow Rams fans behavior on a fellow teams board.

Then I was shocked I was the one made fun of on a Rams board,

My hatred of StL fans is because of that...and it remains. I post with several StL fans on other boards.....not one word from them now. Zero.

My comments to Mr. St. Louis aka Superman28 are not publishable. But: you deserve it. You have been the worst poster on any teams board for YEARS.

i agree through the years long before relocation the st louis fans have been arrogant and belligerent.

[/zn/]

I have been to StL many times to see our games and I met many nice people who are also not who I am referring to.

I didn't expect the disappointment from my "friends" to hit so hard. See for me, I have no equity and these guys like Goose and RMFN who support the team, go to games, they have the real equity and I feel terrible in there presence.
So to each their own IMO. Whatever folks feel is their right. Of course time will heal some wounds and perspectives will change.

There are some good guys out there from St.Louis who are hurting. No doubt about that. I truly respect those that are taking the high road because this is not an easy thing to endure when the Rams have become a part of there lives. The ones that really strike a chord with me are the family guys talking about not being able to take their kids to the game and share those moments. I feel for them the most.

They'll go through various ways of grieving and some will stay, some will leave, some will return.. I find it humorous that some St Louis fans, after gushing over the Riverfront stadium are trying to say the Inglewood stadium isn't all that great, but that's part of how I know they're just upset about what happened.

Give em time, it's not going to be easy.

So it's a weird mix of feeling bad for my friends in St. Louis... and being super excited the Rams are back.

It's all happening so fast. It's only been three days since the vote in Houston but it seems much longer. And i think that's what we have to remember, it's only been 3 days, feelings are still really raw.

Those are the sentiments I most agree with from this thread so far.

As for the people who generalize about St. Louisans in the negative? Personally, I originally grew up in Canada, but, among other places, I have lived both in St, Louis and in LA (well, Claremont, but close enough). I now live in neither place and haven't for decades. I know from personal experienced we can't generalize about people from places like that, which are too big and too diverse to reduce to any stereotypes. I obviously can't tell anyone how to feel, nor would I want to, but, I just want to ask folks to think about that...and it's just a simple thought, no "attack" intended. If me saying that goes nowhere, that's fine, I just had to toss in my 2 cents. I am not telling people how to feel about the move, just asking some to not make sweeping statements about people from an entire city or region of the country (LA or St. Louis). I avoided all the online debates while they were happening, at least I did before the league vote. On the PD board for example (one of the places I post) I was so absent from the relocation wars that someone actually started a thread pointing that fact out (ie. that noticed I never went into relocation threads). Personally I know a lot of very devoted, very passionate St. Louis Rams fans who are hurting but handle it with class, and they are just not the types who would troll online (and of course there were LA fan trolls too, not that it matters).I also know LA fans who are genuinely overjoyed to get their team back. It's a complicated thing. Lots of views. An interesting time. I have mixed feelings.

Like I said just my 2 cents. My (complicated) vote in an informal poll.