[moklerman]

ok, to be clear:

63 turnovers by a qb in 48 games isn't unacceptable?
but 62 turnovers by a qb in 58 games is unacceptable?

or are you saying qb turnovers are acceptable if you win?

Warner's TO's weren't acceptable. He took criticism for them quite a bit. But they were more tolerable when the Rams were scoring tons of points. The point is, just looking at the turnovers and nothing else eliminates much needed context of the comparison.

[Ramsdude]

Inconsistent and "sucks" are not the same thing.

So right Avenger! Goff can be very inconsistent. It can be maddening but he doesn't suck. Not even close.

Sucking is the list of QB's we rolled out for the last 12 years or more. We saw some of the worst QB's that ever played in the NFL including a #1 pick who didn't exactly "light up the league". lol

IMO, there hasn't been a Rams QB as good as Goff in 12 years. Isn't he the only Rams QB with a winning record since like 2003?

[ramsman34]

This is a chicken/egg thing. Or a Goff product of McVay/Goff ruining a perfect system thing. I've seen enough....more than enough....dumb assed calls by McVay the last 2 years. Explain to me why we didn't hand the ball off once on our last drive after gaining 61, 6, 6 and 4 yards running on 4 of the last 6 attempts? With 3:11 left in a tie game and 3 timeouts? And the only reason 1 of those 2 runs that didn't gain at least 4 yards only gained 1 yard was because it was a touchdown! That's called dumb assed play calling!! By any standards. What, was SF playing the run??????

Especially when MCV loves to eat clock. 3+ mins & 3 time outs allows you to run anything you want. He didn’t run at all. Confounding to say the least.

[ramsman34]

Bottom line is this; I firmly believe Goff is “good” enough to win a SB. Yes, he needs help - it’s a team game. But, when the offense drops off like it has it is more than the QB. MCV, the line, and what looks like a confused or lack of offensive identity are all issues. If really good defenses take away what you “do”, great coaches find a way to do something else - still complimentary to their identity and player skill sets. The lack of identity, or the inability to game plan against really good defenses - coupled with spotty at best execution, gets you to 7-4.

Let’s not forget how “good” Tampa Bay’s D was. Goff shredded them.

The whiners once again came out the more inspired team. They are going through an insane amount of injuries, Covid shit everywhere, and learned right before the flew to LA that they. Longer had a home field or practice facilities for the rest of the season. They were rested and were the more physical team for the most part.

Goff made some critically bad plays/turnovers. I think they led to only 7 points.

MCV made some suspect calls, as he has done all year.

And here we are.

[aeneas1]

mcvay's offense more often than not is very successful against average to worse defenses, and more often than not struggles mightily against defenses that employ 6-man fronts, 0 and quarters coverage, and defenses coached by shanny... why? clearly the reason is because the offense just forgets how to execute against the latter.

[PARAM]

Especially when MCV loves to eat clock. 3+ mins & 3 time outs allows you to run anything you want. He didn’t run at all. Confounding to say the least.

And there's a whole other side to that. If he had run the ball a couple of times, it might have helped moving the sticks, might have helped the passing game, and if they didn't get close enough to make a FG or even miss one, it might have left SF 30 seconds instead of a 2:10!!!!

As it was, I was still confident we were going to OT with our D but again, they couldn't cover Deebo!! Maybe because SF had the option to pass or run with 2:10 left and only needing a FG.

[BuiltRamTough]

We have a SB ready team. I actually think this years Rams are better then the SB team from a couple of years ago.

Hopefully Goff gets out of this slump so we can get the ring. It’s a team game but Goff is letting the team down. He’s regressed big time.

[AvengerRam]

Goff has more shit-the-bed performances this year than last with a better o-line.

Except... he doesn't.

2019 Passer Rating (by game)
Over 95.0: 6/16 games (37.5%)
75.0-94.9: 5/16 games (31.3%)
Under 75.0: 5/16 games (31.3%)

2020 Passer Rating (by game)
Over 95.0: 6/11 games (54.5%)
75.0-94.9: 3/11 games (27.3%)
Under 75.0: 2/11 games (18.2%)

[PARAM]

The playcalling wasn't the issue. And on the drive after the TD, they ran it 3/5 plays. On the last drive, calling consecutive pass plays wasn't the issue. There were open receivers on those plays, Goff just overthrew them. That isn't a playcalling issue unless you want to fault McVay for trusting Goff.

On that last drive (and throughout the game) the playcalling was a huge issue. The point is a coach who is in tune with the game flo, runs the ball some on that last drive. You're at your 25 with 3:11 left in a tie game. What's important?

1. Scoring to win
2. Moving the chains to get close enough to score
3. Eating clock so if you don't score, the opponent doesn't have time to either

They weren't DOWN, they were TIED. We throw 5 times and don't run once. SF gets the ball back with 2:10 left in a tie game. Keep in mind 5 of the last 6 times they ran the ball they got 61 yds, 6, 6, 4 and a 1 yd TD. STUPID.

1st play: Empty backfield (are you fucking kidding me?), motion by Woods, left to right, Goff hit's Kupp for 8.
2nd play: One back (Brown). Goff hits Higbee for 6, #89 goes out of bounds, 2:49 left at the 33.
(Jennings says, the whole playbook is open to McVay...you can do what you want....run the ball....pass the ball)
3rd play: Empty again. Goff hits Woods for 5
4th play: One back (Brown), Goff incomplete to Woods on the sideline
5th play: One back (Brown), Goff pump fakes it and overthrows Kupp.

Not one fucking run, 2:20 left in the game. He over threw one receiver in the sequence and he wasn't open.

Like I said, STUPID.

Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless.

Is it worthless. From game #7 of 2001 through game #1 of 2003, Warner started 21 games for the Rams, including 3 postseason games, the last 21 games he started for our boys. He threw 23 picks and the Rams went 11-10. No Superbowl win in the bunch. Now I'll concede, he is a HOF QB. So if a HOF QB can do that, with that result, we're shitting on Goff because he's thrown 19 picks in the last 22 games and the Rams are 13-9?

[AvengerRam]

Lol.. at telling me what "shit-the-bed" means...
He *cost* the Rams 3 games with his performances this year. SF2 and Miami.
And there's still 5 games to go.
He had 3 last year... SF, BAL and Pitt.

So... you're right! It's not *more*... just a *higher percentage* at this point.. and, the bigger point.. with a better Oline. There's no disputing that. None.
Shit. The. Bed.

It would seem that your assessment of when a signal caller has defecated in his place of repose is somewhat of a sliding scale. As such, it is not a term worthy of debate. Rather, you are the master of this debate or, as one might put it, the master-debater.

Carry on.