[moklerman]

Can the people who aren’t fans of the Redskins football team explain why they are so triggered by the possible name change?

Is it just about the wokeness/political correctness?

I don't care as much about the team in Washington as much as I care about it being forced to change. IMO, this isn't about the "Redskins" as much as it's about the PC police exerting it's power.

It's about someone determining what everyone else is allowed to do.

[Elvis]

I don't care as much about the team in Washington as much as I care about it being forced to change. IMO, this isn't about the "Redskins" as much as it's about the PC police exerting it's power.

It's about someone determining what everyone else is allowed to do.

One man's PC police is another man's market forces.

If they were being forced by the PC crowd, it would've happened a while ago.

If it happens now, it will be because companies like FedEx and Nike (not to mention the NFL) think the name is bad for business...

[St. Loser Fan]

So keep the name just to own the libs?

[Mr. Sparkle]

What really stinks, as I selfishly see, is I love sports as an escape. Now it’s just as politicized as most other things. I assume once sports accuracy start again things will calm down a bit.
Would it be possible to have a Rams/football only area? Or I assume I will get the “if you don’t want to read it, we won’t force you too”
But I think having an area that we can just talk football would be nice. I rarely venture into the other areas on this site but think that system works well.

[Elvis]

What really stinks, as I selfishly see, is I love sports as an escape. Now it’s just as politicized as most other things. I assume once sports accuracy start again things will calm down a bit.
Would it be possible to have a Rams/football only area? Or I assume I will get the “if you don’t want to read it, we won’t force you too”
But I think having an area that we can just talk football would be nice. I rarely venture into the other areas on this site but think that system works well.

I hear you.

It's the offseason and there's so much overlap between sports/Rams/Covid/George Floyd/Politics right now there's gonna be some bleed over.

Yes, in principle, the off subject stuff goes in general discussion and there's a lot of it there.

But again i think some overlap is unavoidable. The virus affects the upcoming season. The Redskins are exploring a name change. The NFL and the Rams have gotten involved in BLM and a lot of other stuff since George Floyd.

Sports isn't just sports right now. I don't think there's any way around it.

Hopefully they will start camp and the season as planned. We're already in July, could be looking at and talking about actual football pretty soon...

[ramsman34]

One man's PC police is another man's market forces.

If they were being forced by the PC crowd, it would've happened a while ago.

If it happens now, it will be because companies like FedEx and Nike (not to mention the NFL) think the name is bad for business...

^^^THIS ^^^

You start threatening or actually taking money away as Target, Walmart, FedEx, and Nike are doing or want to do, then teams/businesses are pretty much at mercy of said moves. You can make all the social statements, complaints, and noise; until you hit a corp/company in the wallet, they simply don't care. Capitalism at it's finest - and ugliest.

[Rams the Legends live on]

FWIW, while the term fascism originated on the right side of the European political spectrum, its characteristics are not endemic to any political wing.

Honestly that is not the case. Giovanni Gentile the father of Fascism a Italian. Along with other Italians which namely amongst is Mussolini their national identity as such is why the Roman Fasces which was carried by a lictor and was the symbol of his power and authority as a magistrate. That is why it the fasces became the symbol and very name of their ideology.

Gentile was a socialist in fact as a philosopher and a socialist he found that socialism had no real teeth to invoke change. He used thought from Marx and Hegel, who Marx was a direct student of. Hegel was important because he gave us the dialectics. Which if you ever read Hegel, he is a reread and then a reread because he does not read easy at all.

One thing is his dialectics must always be progressing or what we could call progressive cause there must always be change. They also ultimately make the dialectics religion absent theism. Why Mussolini stated definitively that under fascism the state is the religion. Why ultimately I believe that fascism is seen as right is because Mussolini said in a speech it was right ideology.

However, it was born from socialism and they combined it with nationalism to give it the teeth. Gentile and others make no secret this was their plan and say so in their books and writings and speeches. Gentile who agreed with Marx on his thought of class struggle. He came to the conclusion that the best way to end class struggle would be to have a authoritarian government that would serve as the state religion and affect every area of a individual's life. Because ultimately the state is all and all belong to the state. So there is no more the individual only the collective and the state the magistrate with the very power that the Roman fasces represented.

Absolute authority to make absolute decisions. Universal health care and so many socialist programs you can see in operation under fascism because it is married ideology. Mussolini and Hitler both had operating full till in their fiefdoms. These authoritarian governments called fascist in Italy and national socialist in Germany. Ultimately they were just dictatorships cause like Palpatine declared when Mace said he must answer to the senate. He said I am the senate. Hitler and Mussolini both made the same proclamation saying I am the state.

Like I said elsewhere on our site, I think that ideology is more round in thought than a strait line that travels away from each other. Because at some point you have a meeting where left and right thought meet and authoritarian or in this case fascism is the result when they do. Socialism met nationalism and their child was fascism. So I don't find historically it originated on the right however, you are so correct it belongs to no specific political wing.

[JackPMiller]

This is funny stuff

[Will0120]

I don't care as much about the team in Washington as much as I care about it being forced to change. IMO, this isn't about the "Redskins" as much as it's about the PC police exerting it's power.

It's about someone determining what everyone else is allowed to do.

What is so wrong to correct something that is not right? There seems to be a wave of people bashing "political correctness" with the new current climate. However, if the so called political correctness is a justified/needed change in our society, what is so wrong with that? Why are we all so entrenched in our ways that we can't change for the better, whether it be forced or voluntarily? Are we sure that we are not subconsciously resisting the changes because those changes don't necessarily serve our own purposes?

If there is indeed gender inequality, what's wrong with changing it?
If there is indeed racism, what's wrong with changing it?
If the Redskin name is indeed racist and offensive to the First Nations, what's wrong with changing it?

[Will0120]

It's about someone determining what everyone else is allowed to do.

Oh and about this part. Because we should all just trust our collective innate human goodness to always change for the better on our own since that's worked out SO WELL in history right?

If it absolutely requires someone/something forcing us to change for the better, then so be it.