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I'm so old i remember when Goff didn't have a 4th quarter comeback...

He's actually at 50% in those situations.

So I find the jokes pretending people don't know that a little off base.

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no you aren't.

So no argument?

No one said the stuff you said people said. Those are either deliberate or inadvertent distortions of what was said. Strawmen. That's demonstrable.

Quips don't change that. Personal jabs don't change that.

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question. in your opinion, which current qbs are "there yet"?

Off the top of my head...
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Wilson
Roethlisberger
Ryan
Luck
Rivers
Wentz (maybe)
Mahomes (not there yet mentally, but compensates with freakish physical talent)

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For some people you're only as good as your last game. Goff was not stellar last game. It happens.

I sincerely wonder who you are arguing with. No one I have read in this thread thinks Goff is only as good as his last game. The "it happens" view is shared by everyone. No one questioned Goff the way you seem to think.

Unless I missed something? Is there a quote from someone in this thread which genuinely requires the response "for some people you're only as good as your last game"?

Cause I don't think there's anything of that kind at all.

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Off the top of my head...
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Wilson
Roethlisberger
Ryan
Luck
Rivers
Wentz (maybe)
Mahomes (not there yet mentally, but compensates with freakish physical talent)

- wentz might "be there"? but not goff? mama mia.

- mahomes? he had 2 shots at a game winning drive to beat the rams, threw picks on both that ended the chiefs chances, that's your idea of "being there"? goff had a one shot at a game winning drive to beat the chiefs, and he nailed it, but "he's not there yet"? mahomes is "there", just not mentally, goff isn't "there yet", not physically or mentally, do i have that right?

the other guys, have played an average of 13+ seasons in the league, at least half will most likely be in canton. that's your yardstick. good to know.

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For some people you're only as good as your last game. Goff was not stellar last game.

every team, in every sport, has such fans, they've always struck me as odd, sat next to one at the seattle game, except he wasn't only a game to game "what have you done for me lately" fan, he was a play to play "what have you done for me lately" fan, ha ha, it was a real pleasant experience, good friggin' grief.

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- wentz might "be there"? but not goff? mama mia.

- mahomes? he had 2 shots at a game winning drive to beat the rams, threw picks on both that ended the chiefs chances, that's your idea of "being there"? goff had a one shot at a game winning drive to beat the chiefs, and he nailed it, but "he's not there yet"? mahomes is "there", just not mentally, goff isn't "there yet", not physically or mentally, do i have that right?

the other guys, have played an average of 13+ seasons in the league, at least half will most likely be in canton. that's your yardstick. good to know.

Why are you being obtuse? What don’t you get about what I said about Goff hasn’t seen enough of what defenses are throwing at him?

I then named 8 QBs that have seen a lot more than Goff and are there and you don’t understand the point of that and bring up an absurd Canton comment? Well yeah, what do you expect? QBs that “are there” have that happen to them. Duh.

Wentz is a bit more ahead of Goff. Hes almost 2 years older so it’s not surprising. Let’s see how Wentz does in Dallas next week against that improved D.

And if you don’t see the difference between Mahomes physical ability and Goff’s you’re watching another game. But as I said it’s only physically. Mahomes did go into NE and did well against a Belichick D. He did it with freakish physical ability. Goff has yet to do something like that.

The bottom line here is that there are at least 8 QBs, maybe 10, that I believe would be better at handling a good D on the road than Goff.

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Why are you being obtuse? What don’t you get about what I said about Goff hasn’t seen enough of what defenses are throwing at him?

what you said was wentz might be there and mahomes is there (but maybe not mentally), i.e. they've presumably "seen enough of what defenses are throwing at them" but goff hasn't, so he isn't "there yet" (according to you) - what don't you get about how ridiculous a take that is?

this isn't rocket science, goff is a young qb who doesn't have 13 years of nfl experience under his belt playing at a high level, like the other vets you listed, well no shit.

not too long ago you complained about what you thought was goff's lack of ability in crunch time, you came up with a little check box for that too iirc, good friggin' grief, he leads the league in 4th quarter comebacks, 4th quarter come from behind wins, and combined 4th qcb/ 4th qcfbw this season, mahomes isn't in the top half of the league.

this has nothing to do with blindly man-crushing on a qb, it's about giving an 11-1 guy the credit he's due, instead of coming up with "he hasn't proven he can play in the cold, on the road, against a good d" (based on the one game he's played in the cold, no less) so "he isn't there yet" nonsense.

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Wentz has a career passer rating of 91.8 and a 25-16 (.610) record as a starter.

Goff has a career passer rating of 97.2 and a 22-10 (.688) record as a starter.

If Wentz might be “there” and Goff isn’t, I don’t know what “there” means.

P.S. Didn’t Wentz recently throw three interceptions against a Saints defense that Goff carved up pretty well?

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Wentz has a career passer rating of 91.8 and a 25-16 (.610) record as a starter.

Goff has a career passer rating of 97.2 and a 22-10 (.688) record as a starter.

If Wentz might be “there” and Goff isn’t, I don’t know what “there” means.

P.S. Didn’t Wentz recently throw three interceptions against a Saints defense that Goff carved up pretty well?

I said maybe. But yeah, maybe not. Still, I’m curious to see Wentz in Dallas. But sure, take Wentz off the list, it was just a thought.

The whole concept is about where Goff is in his development.