[pmill66]

True but McVay was a big part of why Goff was signed to that big contract. If you don't think McVay gave it a thumbs up before he signed, I am afraid you are mistaken.

So, he might not have "inherited" Goff but he DID pay him to stay. In fact Miles Simmons saus McVay wanted Goff signed before signing his own extention...

Simmons: Goff's NFL Progression falls on McVay

I am not sure McVay had that much sway his after his 2nd year as a head coach, but agree he saw a QB on the rise. Indications are that times have changed.

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McVay obviously feels differently now than he did when he was a 32 year old HC. Ya grow.

Thing is, you can win with an average QB on a rookie deal. More money to put into other spots. But when you tie up big money in an average QB, you’ve got a big problem.

And that’s where we are now, and McVay feels it.

I don’t see a simple way out of this. I don’t see Goff ever becoming more than a middle of the road QB, and the options of replacing him are not high success rate ones.

[bremillard]

"Thing is, you can win with an average QB on a rookie deal. More money to put into other spots. But when you tie up big money in an average QB, you’ve got a big problem."

Unfortunately, this is exactly where the Rams are now.

[/zn/]

I am not sure McVay had that much sway his after his 2nd year as a head coach,

You don't impose a qb on a head coach that way. He has to buy in.

There's a huge debate between people who think Goff is no good anymore, and of course they mean the worst games and worst plays as indicative of who he is, and people who say this is Goff struggling because of certain conditions, and they balance the good games against the bad ones and say he can come out of this.

Me? I say you can win with that guy and he's not "average." They've won 20 of 33 games he played across the last 2 years and that's with a lot of things going wrong or that needed fixing.

In terms of winning with rookie contract qbs and more salary cap space, that only describes 1 of the 4 remaining teams. Truth is if you look at the final 4 every year there's never any evidence that the "rookie contract qb + more cap space" model is better.

If you go back to the start of the playoffs, this year there were 4 playoff teams with with rookie contract qbs and one of those remains in the final 4.

There were 9 teams with paid veteran qbs. Rams were one of them. Three of those remain in the final 4.

There was 1 team with a lot of confusion at qb (Washington).

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[Elvis]

I'm sure McVay was all for the Goff extension but the Rams also have a history giving guys big contracts and then getting rid of them, Gurley, Cooks, to name two.

So as a fan trying to figure out what's going to happen, i can't.

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I'm sure McVay was all for the Goff extension but the Rams also have a history giving guys big contracts and then getting rid of them, Gurley, Cooks, to name two.

So as a fan trying to figure out what's going to happen, i can't.

Yeah, me neither. They do stuff sometimes that doesn’t seem prudent to me.

It’s clear that McVay has a different view of Goff now than he did 2 years ago. Now he’s caught between a rock and a hard place. His options are limited. I don’t see a viable path to acquiring Watson. No one else out there is a clear upgrade to Goff. Best guess is they draft a QB in 2nd/3rd round and hope they get lucky.

[actionjack]

Yeah, me neither. They do stuff sometimes that doesn’t seem prudent to me.

It’s clear that McVay has a different view of Goff now than he did 2 years ago. Now he’s caught between a rock and a hard place. His options are limited. I don’t see a viable path to acquiring Watson. No one else out there is a clear upgrade to Goff. Best guess is they draft a QB in 2nd/3rd round and hope they get lucky.

For me, I am not ready to say Goff is a middle tier QB forever. I think next season is a big season for him. He is 26 and still plenty young enough to improve his game. I have no reason to doubt Goff can't improve on the careless turnovers. He also showed me something the last two games, some grit and ability to overcome adversity.

Hopefully he attacks the offseason as he stated and can improve is his problem areas and return to form that he showed in 2018 as far as production. The Rams front office must do there part as well. I think Goff can do it and is motivated to do it. However if the Rams love a QB in the draft early, I would have no issue with it. Competition is good.

[ziggy]

Yea completely independent of if it was a good decision or nots. McVay is young and seems very player friendly. He’s also on record to say that he will always allow coaches to leave for a promotion. So, again, completely independent of the fit question, I can totally see McVay rubber stamping players getting paid.

Eventually McVay might toughen his stance and realize you can’t be the good guy and also field the best possible team. I just don’t see a 34 year old making that call, yet.

Maybe when he’s old, strategic, and a bit more cynical.

[AvengerRam]

So... after nearly 70 posts on this thread, is everyone clear?

1. Jared Goff is the Rams' starting QB.
2. It is unlikely that a viable way to obtain a better starting QB will present itself this year.
3. We may as well make the best of it by providing Goff with as much support as we can.

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So... after nearly 70 posts on this thread, is everyone clear?

1. Jared Goff is the Rams' starting QB.
2. It is unlikely that a viable way to obtain a better starting QB will present itself this year.
3. We may as well make the best of it by providing Goff with as much support as we can.

Now watch the Rams screw it all up.