by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #61 Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post Haden wrote:As Canuck posted:....and then, just to put the Cherry atop the Sundae for this contrarian kvetcher, SI went on to catalogue the worst NFL QB Turnover Machines since 2017 till now:WORST....JAMEIS WINSTON: 70 TURNOVERSSECOND WORST...JARED GOFF: 62 TURNOVERSThat's just pathetic. Nobody can argue that this is acceptable QB play.wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at those stats? if you look at turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th in turnover rate (picks + lost fumbles) among qbs that played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played 3 by bremillard 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 697 Joined: Sep 30 2019 LA Coliseum Veteran Goff POST #62 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:wentz was elite? maybe if you believed some of the sports rag blurbs, but the guy has never been elite, not when you look at his numbers, the eagles offense has ranked in the top third of the league in offensive scoring only once in his 5 years under center, so it's not particularly surprising that he boasts a 35-30-1 career record... and you know who has more turnovers (picks + lost fumbles) per game than goff? yep.what makes you think belichick didn't find mcvay's kryptonite? that other teams are copying? or do you think most qbs would excel in mcvay's scheme against stacked fronts, 0 and quarters cover?you mean like when warner threw two pick-sixes in two different super bowls (for the rams and for the cards) which contributed greatly to both losses? or like when warner led all 35 qualifying qbs in turnovers (picks + lost fumbles) per game for the 1999-2003 stretch, or like when only 3 qbs coughed it up more than warner for the 1999-2001 stretch?goff hasn't played well this season, and he's played like shit in some games, but when the rams offense continues to fail time and again vs certain defensive looks and certain coaches, imo you have to look beyond the guy under center.You mean NFL Hall Of Fame QB Kurt Warner? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #63 Last edited by moklerman on Nov 30 2020, edited 1 time in total. aeneas1 wrote:wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at those stats? if you look at turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th in turnover rate (picks + lost fumbles) among qbs that played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)Not to mention totally different era's and rules. You think Warner might have stayed more healthy and been even more efficient under McVay in today's NFL? by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #64 Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post moklerman wrote:Well, I think apples to apples is more fair. Allen's last 4 games is 96.7 and that doesn't incorporate the 100+ rushing yards and 3 rushing TD's. So, I'd have to say "no", he isn't sucking.ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four-game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suck because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right? 3 by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8920 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Goff POST #65 Last edited by AvengerRam on Nov 30 2020, edited 1 time in total. Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post moklerman wrote:79.7 passer rating the last 4 games is quickly approaching that range, wouldn't you say? And that's against 2 of the worst passing defenses in the league.No, I wouldn't say that at all. His rating was, in fact, over 96 in 3 of the last 5 games (and, in 2 of them, he outplayed Russell Wilson and Tom Brady). Inconsistent and "sucks" are not the same thing. 3 by bremillard 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 697 Joined: Sep 30 2019 LA Coliseum Veteran Goff POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at that number? if you divide qb turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th among qbs that have played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless. by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #67 Ramsdude liked this post moklerman wrote:Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, into the endzone, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose. 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #68 bremillard wrote:Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless.ok, to be clear:63 turnovers by a qb in 48 games isn't unacceptable?but 62 turnovers by a qb in 58 games is unacceptable?or are you saying qb turnovers are acceptable if you win? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #69 aeneas1 wrote:ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suc because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right?Well, that's not what you said, now is it? But, that 4 game stretch wasn't Allen playing at a high level. But, 5TD and 5TO is quite a bit better than 4TD and 10TO. by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 371 posts Jul 10 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by bremillard 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 697 Joined: Sep 30 2019 LA Coliseum Veteran Goff POST #62 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:wentz was elite? maybe if you believed some of the sports rag blurbs, but the guy has never been elite, not when you look at his numbers, the eagles offense has ranked in the top third of the league in offensive scoring only once in his 5 years under center, so it's not particularly surprising that he boasts a 35-30-1 career record... and you know who has more turnovers (picks + lost fumbles) per game than goff? yep.what makes you think belichick didn't find mcvay's kryptonite? that other teams are copying? or do you think most qbs would excel in mcvay's scheme against stacked fronts, 0 and quarters cover?you mean like when warner threw two pick-sixes in two different super bowls (for the rams and for the cards) which contributed greatly to both losses? or like when warner led all 35 qualifying qbs in turnovers (picks + lost fumbles) per game for the 1999-2003 stretch, or like when only 3 qbs coughed it up more than warner for the 1999-2001 stretch?goff hasn't played well this season, and he's played like shit in some games, but when the rams offense continues to fail time and again vs certain defensive looks and certain coaches, imo you have to look beyond the guy under center.You mean NFL Hall Of Fame QB Kurt Warner? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #63 Last edited by moklerman on Nov 30 2020, edited 1 time in total. aeneas1 wrote:wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at those stats? if you look at turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th in turnover rate (picks + lost fumbles) among qbs that played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)Not to mention totally different era's and rules. You think Warner might have stayed more healthy and been even more efficient under McVay in today's NFL? by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #64 Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post moklerman wrote:Well, I think apples to apples is more fair. Allen's last 4 games is 96.7 and that doesn't incorporate the 100+ rushing yards and 3 rushing TD's. So, I'd have to say "no", he isn't sucking.ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four-game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suck because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right? 3 by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8920 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Goff POST #65 Last edited by AvengerRam on Nov 30 2020, edited 1 time in total. Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post moklerman wrote:79.7 passer rating the last 4 games is quickly approaching that range, wouldn't you say? And that's against 2 of the worst passing defenses in the league.No, I wouldn't say that at all. His rating was, in fact, over 96 in 3 of the last 5 games (and, in 2 of them, he outplayed Russell Wilson and Tom Brady). Inconsistent and "sucks" are not the same thing. 3 by bremillard 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 697 Joined: Sep 30 2019 LA Coliseum Veteran Goff POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at that number? if you divide qb turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th among qbs that have played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless. by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #67 Ramsdude liked this post moklerman wrote:Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, into the endzone, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose. 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #68 bremillard wrote:Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless.ok, to be clear:63 turnovers by a qb in 48 games isn't unacceptable?but 62 turnovers by a qb in 58 games is unacceptable?or are you saying qb turnovers are acceptable if you win? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #69 aeneas1 wrote:ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suc because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right?Well, that's not what you said, now is it? But, that 4 game stretch wasn't Allen playing at a high level. But, 5TD and 5TO is quite a bit better than 4TD and 10TO. by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 371 posts Jul 10 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #63 Last edited by moklerman on Nov 30 2020, edited 1 time in total. aeneas1 wrote:wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at those stats? if you look at turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th in turnover rate (picks + lost fumbles) among qbs that played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)Not to mention totally different era's and rules. You think Warner might have stayed more healthy and been even more efficient under McVay in today's NFL? by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #64 Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post moklerman wrote:Well, I think apples to apples is more fair. Allen's last 4 games is 96.7 and that doesn't incorporate the 100+ rushing yards and 3 rushing TD's. So, I'd have to say "no", he isn't sucking.ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four-game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suck because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right? 3 by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8920 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Goff POST #65 Last edited by AvengerRam on Nov 30 2020, edited 1 time in total. Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post moklerman wrote:79.7 passer rating the last 4 games is quickly approaching that range, wouldn't you say? And that's against 2 of the worst passing defenses in the league.No, I wouldn't say that at all. His rating was, in fact, over 96 in 3 of the last 5 games (and, in 2 of them, he outplayed Russell Wilson and Tom Brady). Inconsistent and "sucks" are not the same thing. 3 by bremillard 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 697 Joined: Sep 30 2019 LA Coliseum Veteran Goff POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at that number? if you divide qb turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th among qbs that have played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless. by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #67 Ramsdude liked this post moklerman wrote:Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, into the endzone, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose. 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #68 bremillard wrote:Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless.ok, to be clear:63 turnovers by a qb in 48 games isn't unacceptable?but 62 turnovers by a qb in 58 games is unacceptable?or are you saying qb turnovers are acceptable if you win? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #69 aeneas1 wrote:ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suc because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right?Well, that's not what you said, now is it? But, that 4 game stretch wasn't Allen playing at a high level. But, 5TD and 5TO is quite a bit better than 4TD and 10TO. by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 371 posts Jul 10 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #64 Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post moklerman wrote:Well, I think apples to apples is more fair. Allen's last 4 games is 96.7 and that doesn't incorporate the 100+ rushing yards and 3 rushing TD's. So, I'd have to say "no", he isn't sucking.ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four-game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suck because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right? 3 by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8920 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Goff POST #65 Last edited by AvengerRam on Nov 30 2020, edited 1 time in total. Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post moklerman wrote:79.7 passer rating the last 4 games is quickly approaching that range, wouldn't you say? And that's against 2 of the worst passing defenses in the league.No, I wouldn't say that at all. His rating was, in fact, over 96 in 3 of the last 5 games (and, in 2 of them, he outplayed Russell Wilson and Tom Brady). Inconsistent and "sucks" are not the same thing. 3 by bremillard 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 697 Joined: Sep 30 2019 LA Coliseum Veteran Goff POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at that number? if you divide qb turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th among qbs that have played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless. by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #67 Ramsdude liked this post moklerman wrote:Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, into the endzone, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose. 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #68 bremillard wrote:Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless.ok, to be clear:63 turnovers by a qb in 48 games isn't unacceptable?but 62 turnovers by a qb in 58 games is unacceptable?or are you saying qb turnovers are acceptable if you win? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #69 aeneas1 wrote:ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suc because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right?Well, that's not what you said, now is it? But, that 4 game stretch wasn't Allen playing at a high level. But, 5TD and 5TO is quite a bit better than 4TD and 10TO. by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 371 posts Jul 10 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8920 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Goff POST #65 Last edited by AvengerRam on Nov 30 2020, edited 1 time in total. Ramsdude, PARAM, actionjack liked this post moklerman wrote:79.7 passer rating the last 4 games is quickly approaching that range, wouldn't you say? And that's against 2 of the worst passing defenses in the league.No, I wouldn't say that at all. His rating was, in fact, over 96 in 3 of the last 5 games (and, in 2 of them, he outplayed Russell Wilson and Tom Brady). Inconsistent and "sucks" are not the same thing. 3 by bremillard 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 697 Joined: Sep 30 2019 LA Coliseum Veteran Goff POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at that number? if you divide qb turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th among qbs that have played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless. by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #67 Ramsdude liked this post moklerman wrote:Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, into the endzone, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose. 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #68 bremillard wrote:Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless.ok, to be clear:63 turnovers by a qb in 48 games isn't unacceptable?but 62 turnovers by a qb in 58 games is unacceptable?or are you saying qb turnovers are acceptable if you win? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #69 aeneas1 wrote:ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suc because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right?Well, that's not what you said, now is it? But, that 4 game stretch wasn't Allen playing at a high level. But, 5TD and 5TO is quite a bit better than 4TD and 10TO. by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 371 posts Jul 10 2025
by bremillard 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 697 Joined: Sep 30 2019 LA Coliseum Veteran Goff POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:wouldn't you say that the number of games played should be considered when looking at that number? if you divide qb turnovers per game played since 2017, goff ranks 16th among qbs that have played at least 10 games.and here's a fun one:goff - 62 turnovers in 3.5+ seasons, in 58 games playedwarner - 63 turnovers in 3 season, in 48 games played Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless. by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #67 Ramsdude liked this post moklerman wrote:Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, into the endzone, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose. 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #68 bremillard wrote:Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless.ok, to be clear:63 turnovers by a qb in 48 games isn't unacceptable?but 62 turnovers by a qb in 58 games is unacceptable?or are you saying qb turnovers are acceptable if you win? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #69 aeneas1 wrote:ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suc because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right?Well, that's not what you said, now is it? But, that 4 game stretch wasn't Allen playing at a high level. But, 5TD and 5TO is quite a bit better than 4TD and 10TO. by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 371 posts Jul 10 2025
by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #67 Ramsdude liked this post moklerman wrote:Warner - 101 TD's(6.3%)Goff - 98 TD's(4.7%)warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, into the endzone, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose. 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #68 bremillard wrote:Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless.ok, to be clear:63 turnovers by a qb in 48 games isn't unacceptable?but 62 turnovers by a qb in 58 games is unacceptable?or are you saying qb turnovers are acceptable if you win? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #69 aeneas1 wrote:ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suc because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right?Well, that's not what you said, now is it? But, that 4 game stretch wasn't Allen playing at a high level. But, 5TD and 5TO is quite a bit better than 4TD and 10TO. by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 371 posts Jul 10 2025
by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame Goff POST #68 bremillard wrote:Goff has already been relegated, because of poor play, to a dink/dunk game with hopes for a lot of YAC. He still flops. Warner ran the Greatest Show On Turf. It was a wide open offense that scored a lot of points regardless of turnovers. This comparison is worthless.ok, to be clear:63 turnovers by a qb in 48 games isn't unacceptable?but 62 turnovers by a qb in 58 games is unacceptable?or are you saying qb turnovers are acceptable if you win? by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #69 aeneas1 wrote:ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suc because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right?Well, that's not what you said, now is it? But, that 4 game stretch wasn't Allen playing at a high level. But, 5TD and 5TO is quite a bit better than 4TD and 10TO. by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 371 posts Jul 10 2025
by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #69 aeneas1 wrote:ok, i see, so for the wk5-wk8 four game stretch when allen booked a cumulative 79.2 qb rating, throwing a total of just 4 tds and 4 picks he was approaching "sucking" status as a qb like goff, but then he didn't suc because he had a good game after that, right? even tho he followed that good game with a cumulative 80.9 qb rating in his last 2 games that included 3 tds and 3 picks... do i have that right?Well, that's not what you said, now is it? But, that 4 game stretch wasn't Allen playing at a high level. But, 5TD and 5TO is quite a bit better than 4TD and 10TO. by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 371 posts Jul 10 2025
by moklerman 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Goff POST #70 aeneas1 wrote:warner - a qb that played for an oc that was all about throwing the ball downfield, that ran up the score.goff - a qb that plays for an oc that loves short throws and yacs, who ranks 8th in the league in run ratio, who plays not to lose.Wow. So now McVay is holding Goff back? Reply 7 / 38 1 7 38 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business