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 by St. Loser Fan
3 years 10 months ago
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United States of America   Saint Louis MO
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https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ublic.html

St. Louis Circuit Court Judge Christopher McGraugh, in denying the league's motion for a change of venue, said there's no evidence that potential city jurors have an inherent bias.

He also said there's no evidence that potential jurors have read-pretrial coverage of the case, which dates to 2017.

"With complete deference to the fifth estate, a lot of people don't get their news anymore from the newspapers or news outlets," McGraugh said, adding that most of the articles, which contain opinion, were published more than a year ago.

"Any sort of recent articles, in many respects, have been generated by the defendants themselves," McGraugh said, referencing the defendants' decision to hold a hearing on their bid last week to strike counts in the case, an attempt to avoid a trial altogether. McGraugh indicated he could have considered that bid without a public hearing.

He also said potential jurors will be questioned thoroughly, "and if they respond to any sort of biased or prejudiced question contained in the questionnaire I'm going to permit that juror to be examined individually by the parties."


This part is interesting.
"The defense position is somewhat undermined by the pretrial approach that they've taken. If the league did abide by the relocation guidelines, then they believe that St. Louis didn't care about the Rams leaving. Now you're saying the city is so mad that they'll punish the NFL for allowing the team to move."

 by majik
3 years 10 months ago
 Total posts:   1269  
 Joined:  Aug 31 2015
United States of America   New Jersey
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St. Loser Fan wrote:https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ublic.html



This part is interesting.



This part is interesting, what does the NFL’s relocation guidelines and whether or not they were followed have anything to do with the Rams’ relationship with the city of St. Louis?

Did the Rams have a lease with the city of St. Louis when they moved to LA? That would be a NO! So any judge that isn’t a St. Louis hometown judge would then dismiss the case.

 by St. Loser Fan
3 years 10 months ago
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 Joined:  May 31 2016
United States of America   Saint Louis MO
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majik wrote:This part is interesting, what does the NFL’s relocation guidelines and whether or not they were followed have anything to do with the Rams’ relationship with the city of St. Louis?

Did the Rams have a lease with the city of St. Louis when they moved to LA? That would be a NO! So any judge that isn’t a St. Louis hometown judge would then dismiss the case.


Again it speaks to the Rams/NFL scattershot defense.
-the relocation guidelines are absolute rules that must be followed under all circumstances!
-the relocation guidelines mean nothing and Commissioner Goodell is full of it.

Or

-St. Louis cared nothing about football and were glad to see the Rams leave.
-St. Louis cares so much about losing the Rams that you can’t find 12 fair jurors.

These NFL lawyers are just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

 by majik
3 years 10 months ago
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United States of America   New Jersey
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The relocation guidelines involve the NFL and its teams, not cities. The NFL can choose to ignore their own rules.

There is no contract between the NFL and St. Louis. There is no contract between the Rams and St. Louis once their lease expired. The courts should not be involved.

 by jackburginjr
3 years 10 months ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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Who cares about typos. It happens seems those that lose a debate tend to go that route all the time. LOL.

 by rams74
3 years 10 months ago
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Italy   Glendale, Arizona
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St. Loser Fan wrote:-St. Louis cares so much about losing the Rams that you can’t find 12 fair jurors.

I don't think it's even about the Rams. Maybe the majority of people in St. Louis didn't care about the Rams, I don't know.

It's about a billionaire who dissed St. Louis, who said it was a hole. Do St. Louisans care about that? That judge obviously does.

It seems to me intuitively obvious that it could be difficult to find 12 jurors who don't care anything at all about their city.

 by St. Loser Fan
3 years 10 months ago
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United States of America   Saint Louis MO
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rams74 wrote:I don't think it's even about the Rams. Maybe the majority of people in St. Louis didn't care about the Rams, I don't know.

It's about a billionaire who dissed St. Louis, who said it was a hole. Do St. Louisans care about that? That judge obviously does.

It seems to me intuitively obvious that it could be difficult to find 12 jurors who don't care anything at all about their city.


Most St. Louisans would agree with Stan.

 by St. Loser Fan
3 years 10 months ago
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United States of America   Saint Louis MO
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majik wrote:The relocation guidelines involve the NFL and its teams, not cities. The NFL can choose to ignore their own rules.

There is no contract between the NFL and St. Louis. There is no contract between the Rams and St. Louis once their lease expired. The courts should not be involved.


Then why aren’t Stan’s/the NFL lawyers arguing those points?

 by rams74
3 years 10 months ago
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Italy   Glendale, Arizona
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St. Loser Fan wrote:Most St. Louisans would agree with Stan.

I'm familiar with your consistent position on this point. Nevertheless, you display a sense of righteous indignation regarding the infamous Kroenke dump on St. Louis. Which is completely understandable.

I maintain that you do care about the area you live in. You want it to improve, not decline. You didn't want the Rams to leave. I don't blame you.

You shouldn't be on that jury, for instance. You're not impartial, no matter how much you protest that Stan was right and how much St. Louis is a hole.

 by St. Loser Fan
3 years 10 months ago
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 Joined:  May 31 2016
United States of America   Saint Louis MO
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rams74 wrote:I'm familiar with your consistent position on this point. Nevertheless, you display a sense of righteous indignation regarding the infamous Kroenke dump on St. Louis. Which is completely understandable.

I maintain that you do care about the area you live in. You want it to improve, not decline. You didn't want the Rams to leave. I don't blame you.


I'm not going in to in the public forum, but I have my reasons of staying here, not going to greener pastures and going to a city that can actually keep an NFL team. I've traveled a lot for work and pleasure so I know exactly where St. Louis fits into the scheme of things. But having lived here a lot of my life I am protective of the place and I'm sorry if that bothers people.

rams74 wrote:You shouldn't be on that jury, for instance. You're not impartial, no matter how much you protest that Stan was right and how much St. Louis is a hole.


Oh yeah: I'm like the last person that should be on that jury. They shouldn't even bother to call anyone who held season tickets. That should be a first hard cut.

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