[Hacksaw]

There is no hope at the end.

At this point I don’t care if St. Louis loses, Stan still gets Rams Park for a $1 and the Blitz law firm has to pay Stan’s lawyer fees. But if the NFL is forced to more clearly lay out stadium lease negotiation ends and make relocation guidelines even more firm then so be it. I just don’t want the fans of Chicago, Buffalo, Jacksonville etc to go through what St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego did.

And Baltimore, Cleveland and LA did. Way more if you go back further.
As gut wrenching as relocating is, these owners are deeply invested and should have the right to move if they have a reason. History shows it can and will be done. Of course why would an owner move and alienate most of their bread and butter fan bases unless there is a good reason? Venue, money come to mind. But isn't that why they own these teams after all? Does it seem fair to ask the owners to forget their bottom lines to keep fans happy?
I don't know how to square that..

[St. Loser Fan]

And Baltimore, Cleveland and LA did. Way more if you go back further.
As gut wrenching as relocating is, these owners are deeply invested and should have the right to move if they have a reason. History shows it can and will be done. Of course why would an owner move and alienate most of their bread and butter fan bases unless there is a good reason? Venue, money come to mind. But isn't that why they own these teams after all? Does it seem fair to ask the owners to forget their bottom lines to keep fans happy?
I don't know how to square that..

If all of these stadiums (like SoFi) were 100% private and involved no public money I would agree with you in that owners should get to do whatever they want. But once these owners start accepting public money to build these stadiums, what is their responsibility to the citizens of those cities?

[Hacksaw]

If all of these stadiums (like SoFi) were 100% private and involved no public money I would agree with you in that owners should get to do whatever they want. But once these owners start accepting public money to build these stadiums, what is their responsibility to the citizens of those cities?

If the community invests then that to me is a different story. The owner by way of accepting their deal (tax payer dollars) is making a more binding agreement with that community. It also depends on how much tax money is involved.
That is not what happened in StL though. Just because a community offers does not make it binding. imo

[jackburginjr]

Please there is no "woe is Stan" going on here.

Kroenke didn't crap on STL. Your political leaders did with that contract, and not honoring it.

Bottom line is I am right, your wrong. Now jog on.

[St. Loser Fan]

Bottom line is I am right, your wrong. Now jog on.

Wow, you sure told me there.

By the way it’s “you’re” or “you are”.

[rams74]

Please there is no "woe is Stan" going on here.

Kroenke didn't crap on STL. Your political leaders did with that contract, and not honoring it.

Bottom line is I am right, your wrong. Now jog on.

It's not always so clear cut, there's a lot of gray in some of this. Maybe you're both right.

Kroenke may have felt like his hand was forced, but he absolutely dumped on St. Louis. There's no two ways about that.

[majik]

Unfortunately the NFL forced Stan to dump on St. Louis by entertaining the Charaiders Carson dump site proposal

[RedAlice]

Unfortunately the NFL forced Stan to dump on St. Louis by entertaining the Charaiders Carson dump site proposal

Absolutely.

This whole scenario would have been different if it wasn't tied to the stupid Chargers and unhappy Raiders.

[St. Loser Fan]

Absolutely.

This whole scenario would have been different if it wasn't tied to the stupid Chargers and unhappy Raiders.

Stan's relocation love letter should have made a pass or two through the Park Avenue offices: been softened up a bit by the PR and legal departments.

[St. Loser Fan]

EDIT: after getting the closed court room hearing they asked for, the NFL is denied the request for change of venue. The trial will stay in St. Louis.