[jackburginjr]

I know what you mean by your revenge comment, My point was if the judge feels that way, then he as no place presiding on the bench. Also again your "revenge" feeling are misplaced. They belong on the political leaders of STL. My points stand, and are valid.

[jackburginjr]

The failure is on the politcal leaders of STL, the owners of The Dome for their failing STL, and it's citizens. I am not trying for any congratulations here at all. It sucks that STL lost a 2nd NFL team due to the failures of their political leaders, and The owners of the dome. But the hatred of the citizens of STL towards Kroenke receiving all the blame is where they are wrong.

[/zn/]

The failure is on the politcal leaders of STL

He is not talking about the Rams moving. Everyone knows the city left that open by the way the original agreement was worded. And that's not what the lawsuit is about. The city claims the NFL violated its own relocation rules by allowing the Rams to leave St. Louis. The reason they can file a lawsuit in the first place is because the Rams left behind all sorts of stupidly incriminating documents that make them look bad.

There would be no lawsuit without those documents, which make it look like the Rams and the NFL were deliberately skirting their own rules about how team moves are supposed to work.

I am as big a Rams fan as anyone. But I can admit it when the team does something that looks bad.

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[St. Loser Fan]

Also again your "revenge" feeling are misplaced. They belong on the political leaders of STL. My points stand, and are valid.

The failure is on the politcal leaders of STL, the owners of The Dome for their failing STL, and it's citizens. I am not trying for any congratulations here at all. It sucks that STL lost a 2nd NFL team due to the failures of their political leaders, and The owners of the dome. But the hatred of the citizens of STL towards Kroenke receiving all the blame is where they are wrong.

Allowed:
-Baltimore can hate the Irsays for moving the Colts
-Houston can hate Bud Adams for moving the Oilers
-Cleveland can hate Art Modell for moving the Browns
-LA can hate Georgia F. for moving the Rams from LA
-San Diego can hate Dean Spanos for moving the Chargers
-Oakland can hate Mark Davis for moving the Raiders

Now Allowed:
- St. Louis cannot hate Stan

That seems fair.

[Hacksaw]

NFL "rules" are not laws of the land. They are merely guidelines.
No entity should have assumed they were back and white.
Whatever is written in these files between the NFL and ESK are a result of the actions (or lack of action) taken by StL politicians.
By GF waiving the agreed lease terms, she set the CVC behind schedule. Lack of prudent budgeting apparently finished the deal.
Even if ESK and the NFL saw the opportunity to relocate ESK's Rams back to LA as a net positive for both, and set wheels in motion to relocate them, had StL done their part, they wouldn't have been able too. And it's quite possible no party would have wanted to anyway.

[St. Loser Fan]

NFL "rules" are not laws of the land. They are merely guidelines.
No entity should have assumed they were back and white.
Whatever is written in these files between the NFL and ESK are a result of the actions (or lack of action) taken by StL politicians.
By GF waiving the agreed lease terms, she set the CVC behind schedule. Lack of prudent budgeting apparently finished the deal.
Even if ESK and the NFL saw the opportunity to relocate ESK's Rams back to LA as a net positive for both, and set wheels in motion to relocate them, had StL done their part, they wouldn't have been able too. And it's quite possible no party would have wanted to anyway.

Are you talking about the $700 million Dome renovation? If you think the original lease agreement was already a testament to stupid: doing that renovation would have made us even stupider.

That renovation would have forced the Rams to play on the road for 3 seasons. It would have required the entire convention center be shut down for 18 months to two years. That would have cost St. Louis hundreds of millions of lost convention revenue.

And it only would have kept the Rams here until 2025. IIRC the Rams wouldn't even extend the lease for the 3 seasons that wouldn't have been played here.

[Hacksaw]

Allowed:
-Baltimore can hate the Irsays for moving the Colts
-Houston can hate Bud Adams for moving the Oilers
-Cleveland can hate Art Modell for moving the Browns
-LA can hate Georgia F. for moving the Rams from LA
-San Diego can hate Dean Spanos for moving the Chargers
-Oakland can hate Mark Davis for moving the Raiders

Now Allowed:
- St. Louis cannot hate Stan

That seems fair.

Hate him all you want. I likely would if I were in your shoes. Still suing after the fact just to get over is a money grab and makes a bad look even uglier.

[Hacksaw]

Are you talking about the $700 million Dome renovation? If you think the original lease agreement was already a testament to stupid: doing that renovation would have made us even stupider.

Then why weren't your leader smart enough to be proactive and start another project (like Riverfront) years earlier. And if they would have allowed ESK more control he would have likely ponied up and stayed. Bad business dealings cost you and now your town wants revenge against the person who was left short. It should have never come to any of that.

[St. Loser Fan]

Still suing after the fact just to get over is a money grab and makes a bad look even uglier.

I fully admit it's not a good look. But we have nothing to lose and that's the fault of Stan and the NFL.

[St. Loser Fan]

Then why weren't your leader smart enough to be proactive and start another project (like Riverfront) years earlier.

They were dumb enough to believe Kevin Demoff

Kevin Demoff, executive vice president of football operations and chief operating officer for the St. Louis Rams, confirmed early on January 31 the purchase of the former Wal-Mart site in Inglewood. “As real estate developers, the Kroenke Organizations are involved in numerous real estate deals across the country and North America,” he wrote in an email to the Business Journal. “While we can confirm media reports that we recently purchased land in Inglewood, as a private company we don’t typically discuss our plans for commercial or residential investments. We have yet to decide what we are going to do with the property but we will look at all options, as we do with all of our properties.