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 by BobCarl
7 years 5 months ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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Hacksaw wrote:But that team then couldn't sustain it. Why? As you stated. A bunch of nincompoops were running the joint.
YES!!!

The difference today is that our current genius is capable of running a solid team and he looks to be in it for the long haul.


To me, the biggest difference was the Rams player personnel director then and now, Then it was the emasculated Charley Army (with a title of GM)... Now it is Les Snead (with a title of GM) ... even though I have been a critic of Snead during the Fisher regime, it seems that he has been allowed to make a more meaningful contribution than Charley Army was allowed to.

 by Elvis
7 years 5 months ago
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United States of America   Los Angeles
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pmill66 wrote:Martz would have been offered a head coaching job or 2 if Vermeil would have stayed. Most fans would have chosen Martz over Vermeil for Rams head coach, including this one.


I'm with you here.

It would've been great to keep the '99 staff in tact but if that wasn't an option, if it had to be a choice between losing Martz or losing Vermeil, the choice was clear, keep Martz.

That's certainly how i felt at the time and even now, with years of hindsight, i feel the same way...

 by Hacksaw
7 years 5 months ago
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
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BobCarl wrote:To me, the biggest difference was the Rams player personnel director then and now, Then it was the emasculated Charley Army (with a title of GM)... Now it is Les Snead (with a title of GM) ... even though I have been a critic of Snead during the Fisher regime, it seems that he has been allowed to make a more meaningful contribution than Charley Army was allowed to.

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Looks like Vermiel was in charge of the personnel that became the GSOT.
Between Ziggy and Martz I can see where Armey didn't sail on smooth seas..

Back at the end of LA 1, one can see that Shaw was in total charge of the dismantling of the Rams...

 by St. Loser Fan
7 years 5 months ago
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United States of America   Saint Louis MO
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Still pisses me off to this day that St. Louis never had a local owner of it's football teams. And don't try to tell me Georgia or Stan were St. Louisans.

 by BobCarl
7 years 5 months ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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St. Loser Fan wrote:...don't try to tell me Georgia or Stan were St. Louisans.
what defines a "Saint Louisan"?

 by St. Loser Fan
7 years 5 months ago
 Total posts:   10896  
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United States of America   Saint Louis MO
Hall of Fame

BobCarl wrote:what defines a "Saint Louisan"?


Someone born and raised here.

-The Bidwells got run out of Chicago.
-Georgia left St. Louis at 15 and didn’t come back for 50 years. On game days she couldn’t get back to LA fast enough.
-Stan is from a few hours away.

 by Elvis
7 years 5 months ago
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United States of America   Los Angeles
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St. Loser Fan wrote:Still pisses me off to this day that St. Louis never had a local owner of it's football teams. And don't try to tell me Georgia or Stan were St. Louisans.


With the U.S. being a nation of immigrants and L.A. being a city of transplants, this notion makes very little sense to me...

 by RedAlice
7 years 5 months ago
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United States of America   Seattle
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St. Loser Fan wrote:Still pisses me off to this day that St. Louis never had a local owner of it's football teams. And don't try to tell me Georgia or Stan were St. Louisans.


Well, isn’t the reason that instead of starting a team in STL, the city stole one from a different city? Kinda can’t have both.

 by Hacksaw
7 years 5 months ago
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
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St. Loser Fan wrote:Still pisses me off to this day that St. Louis never had a local owner of it's football teams. And don't try to tell me Georgia or Stan were St. Louisans.


Other than Mara in New York / Halas-McCaskey in Chicago / Paul Allen in Seattle (same city),,,, or Robert Kraft in Mass / Snyder in Bethesda / Richardson in Spring Hope NC, (same state),, very few did. It certainly isn't the norm anyway,, nor is it a criteria for keeping a team where it is, or moving it.
GF & ESK were Missourians (same state) so that's closer than many.

 by PARAM
7 years 5 months ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
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BobCarl wrote:I admire your passion.

The Cincinnati Reds was my favorite Baseball team ... until Marge Schott bought the team...because of her I lost interest in the team and the passion for them has never returned. Maybe if I lived there things would have been different.

Regarding the Rams ... when Jay Zygmunt cut Isaac Bruce he cut me to the heart ... I almost lost interest in the Rams at that point. Yes, football business is business, but I think it would have been good business to let Bruce (and Warner) stay a Rams player for life and let both of them retire on their own terms.

The Day that Bruce caught his 1000th reception (in a 49er uniform) ... I wasn't rooting against the Rams, but I was rooting 100% for Bruce to reach the milestone(s) ... I was so glad that I got to see those records live rather than on TV. At that time in NFL history, there was only one player ever in the NFL that had more receiving yards than Bruce did.

As a Bruce fan ... it was my favorite moment of being a Season Ticket holder ... and I saw a lot of awesome Rams players put up stellar single-game performances.

As a Rams fan .. it was the lowest of low ... to see Bruce setting his records in a 49ers uniform against the Rams.

Bruce's records were set on the same day that Jay Zygmunt was fired. That firing helped restore my passion for the Rams.

I was disappointed that the St. Louis press didn't make more of Zygmunt getting fired and the surrounding circumstances.


The way I look at MY sports teams is they may be owned by somebody else but they are MY teams (the Rams, the Yankees, the Flyers). I root for the logo and the players wearing that logo. Anything an owner does is for HIS/HER profit. Any the TEAM or players do is for mine. An owner would probably have to sabotage the team or murder a player or coach for me to stop rooting for them. It's about the team not the owner......for me. But I respect anyone's decision to stop rooting for whatever reason they deem acceptable.

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