[max]

Exactly. I dont rely on OL grades from anywhere. Eyeball test is all I need. I watch line play a lot during games. We need reinforcements and I think they are coming. The Rams see this over and over in the film room. Now THOSE grades would be awesome to see - to see how the Rams see their own guys relative to the play call/assignment.

I’m with ya on the eyeball test. I’ve had enough of all the PFF grades and DVOA blather. If I see a duck with my own eyes, I don’t care if you try to prove to me it’s really a fish with fancy stats.

The Rams brain trust should know they have major issues going forward that can’t be solved with picking up guys off the trash heap. They’ve got a huge job ahead of them.

[Hacksaw]

Most likely. But its still entirely possible that with a normal health rate next year and bolstering the Oline and Edge we could resemble our recent selfs.

If Stafford or AD retire then it might be time to somewhat blow it up. If they don't, we're closer to a winner than not.

[bremillard]

That old cliche "you win in the trenches". Gotta love it cause it's true.

So how did you determine the original 5 were a below average OL and not just average? Because Buffalo stomped them? How did the original 5 look against Atlanta? Right, it wasn't the original 5. In fact our first next man up, Anchrum (who some fans seem to think 'could be a decent guard') played two snaps. Our next, next man up Jackson filled in. (Now fans have him pegged for LT). Then that line played together the next game and we won again.

So the original 5 sucked and the next two men up filled in and we were 2-1. Then Edwards, Shelton and Noteboom go down and our OL sucked because of poor planning. The same guys who say Noteboom sucks and Allen sucks and Shelton sucks are saying Anchrum could be a good G after 2 snaps this year and Alaric Jackson is a good LT after 2 starts there this year and the better part of 1 game last year.

And that doesn't seem the slight bit off? Forgive me if I don't accept those opinions as unequivocal fact.

12-21. That's the combined record of the teams the Rams beat this season. There have been ZERO quality wins. You keep wanting to color this team better as your mood swings but their problems are deeper than a lousy O line. Good teams can play around deficiencies. This is simply NOT a good team especially given McVay's historical record of winning with just about anyone.

[Hacksaw]

It was coach John McKay who quipped that "games are won and lost in the trenches".
He was right and we do not have one so the results are predictable. Some of the other players are not good enough to carry the team in the absence of a good line, top receivers and a top edge guy. Especially against most of the teams we faced.
There are some stalwarts though. Guys to keep building around. Unless they take off or retire of course.

Perhaps we need to change the training workout or trainers. j/k sorta..

[PARAM]

12-21. That's the combined record of the teams the Rams beat this season. There have been ZERO quality wins. You keep wanting to color this team better as your mood swings but their problems are deeper than a lousy O line. Good teams can play around deficiencies. This is simply NOT a good team especially given McVay's historical record of winning with just about anyone.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I "keep wanting to color the team better"? They suck. We just differ on why. You think EVERYTHING is wrong. I think it's been mostly injuries. That's fine. Our opinions differ. But the good thing is, they will continue to lose and you can revel in it, expressing all your in depth and intelligent reasons why. First it's "good teams overcome injuries" and now it's "good teams play around deficiencies"? My god, where'd you get that one? What's next? "Good teams have winning records"? "You lose if you score less points than the other guys"?

You've already demonstated your desire to argue using inadequate facts with the USC stuff. FWIW, I was re-reading Phil Steele's College Football Preview last night and he picked USC as his #4 most improved team. Said 9 wins wouldn't be shocking. But I admit, nobody had them over 9 wins so winning 10 must be EPIC in your eyes!!

BTW, speaking of inadequate facts, tell me who you're referring to as those "anyones" with whom McVay has been able to win. I'm beginning to wonder how long you've really been a Ram fan.

[ramsman34]

I think it’s fairly easy to sum up. They have lost a lot of games due to OL injuries and lack of cohesion and individual ability at most of the backup OL positions. They have lost to really good teams because of the aforementioned and lack of pressure on the QB. they have a big task ahead but, with some key additions, mitigating loss of players, and better injury luck, They should be back to highly competitive next season. Can’t see a reason why they wouldn’t be.

[CanuckRightWinger]

Guys who defend the "Let'sJustRollTheDice" McSnead 2022 Ram OL Plan ask:
On what do you ChickenLittles base your opinion that the Boom-Edwards-Allen-Shelton-Havs 2022 starting McSnead OL was in fact, deficient.....
merely on the Buffalo game???

AND...
What's laughable is that they ask it, as if the 2022 Buffalo Bills are the 1985 Chicago Bears.

The 4-Win Detroit Lions nearly just beat Buffalo, as the Bills defensive tackling sucked. The Bills good luck in winning today in Motown was that Detroit's QB was the feckless Jared JimmyCarterLeadershipMolecule Goff.

Buffalo has lost 3 games already this season.....so they ain't the '85 Bears sportsfans!!

[PARAM]

I think it’s fairly easy to sum up. They have lost a lot of games due to OL injuries and lack of cohesion and individual ability at most of the backup OL positions. They have lost to really good teams because of the aforementioned and lack of pressure on the QB. they have a big task ahead but, with some key additions, mitigating loss of players, and better injury luck, They should be back to highly competitive next season. Can’t see a reason why they wouldn’t be.

No, no, no. Buffalo sucks.....they almost lost to the Lions......Dallas sucks......they're losing to the NY Giants....and Frisco sucks. And we lost to them so we really suck with little hope to get better in 2023!!! That's how it works right???......we lost to them and they lost to so-in-so, so that means they aren't the monsters of the Midway.....as if anybody said they were.

Same old routine

Who's on first?
I don't know
Third base

[Lancer]

Is all this genuinely just due to injuries?

The timing of this dissatisfaction among certain units & their coaches is curious and puzzling.

It’s not like the starting roster has been vastly overhauled between seasons (OL excepted).

Recall our controversies with Gurley and later, Goff.

Comparing, these recent occurrences appear to be more in the open. That is, ppl here have noticed them in public.

That makes me wonder if these are the kinds of players the team wants.

That’s a management level issue.

[PARAM]

Is all this genuinely just due to injuries?

The timing of this dissatisfaction among certain units & their coaches is curious and puzzling.

It’s not like the starting roster has been vastly overhauled between seasons (OL excepted).

Recall our controversies with Gurley and later, Goff.

Comparing, these recent occurrences appear to be more in the open. That is, ppl here have noticed them in public.

That makes me wonder if these are the kinds of players the team wants.

That’s a management level issue.

Good question!!

Besides the fact losing brings out the worst in some people/players, the RB room has been a clusterfuck all season. Thomas Brown was switched from RB coach to TE coach and the way I remember it was, McVay wanted to "give him a better chance to catch on with somebody as an OC". Maybe the new guy doesn't have the same ability to communicate well with players that Brown obviously did. But beyond that, maybe McVay ought to stop worrying about improving his assistants chances of getting poached from the Rams! I understand it. It's a helluva thing to do but at what point does he realize he can't overcome the loss of so many with his genius alone?

The injuries and upheaval on the O line probably exacerbated the RB room/RB coach situation. "They want me to run my ass off behind 3rd and 4th stringers? I'm getting killed and it doesn't look good for MY production". Or "I'm not gonna carry the ball 18 times and get beat to shit. I think I feel something in my knee. Let that other fuck who you sent home for 3 weeks get his ass beat up". Other than the RB room, I haven't heard anything that causes me to suspect a problem with morale. The 3-7 record certainly doesn't help.