[AvengerRam]

WARNING: Side effects of reading this thread may include hindsight analysis, unwarranted gloating, fence-sitting and hedging, self aggrandizing, gutless subtle jabs based upon revisionism, and tangents. If these symptoms persist, consult another thread.

[CanuckRightWinger]

I am in agreement with Pennsylvania regarding Stafford's superiority over Goff in the hypothetical 2020 Ram scenario tossed out by Elvis, where Mathew MatureMachine Stafford is the 2020 Los Ramos QB, and not Jared Indecisive&Sloppy Goff!

We win one of the SF games, the Miami game fer sure, the Seahawks game in Seattle....
and that fucking NY Jets game too!

I see 2020 going 12-4 for Los Ramos with MS at the helm sportsfans!!!

Kudos to McSnead for pulling off this great Stafford trade!!

[snackdaddy]

Stafford isn't perfect. He'll make mistakes like all QB's do. He'll miss open receivers on occasion. He won't always see the right play to be made.
But over the course of a 16 game season and hundreds of pass plays, and more if there are playoff games, I'm sure McVay feels that Stafford will make more plays under the same circumstances than Goff would. A lot of fans feel that way too.

Can Goff improve? Sure he can. He's certainly talented enough. He can make all the necessary throws a good quarterback needs to make. Will he improve? I don't know. Its gonna be tougher for him to prove himself in Detroit than it was in LA.

With Goff the Rams won ten game and made it to the second round in the playoffs. Mainly on the strength of the defense. The team feels Stafford can take them even further. I feel that way too.

[HopHead Ram]

I'm in agreement with Canuck. I think Stafford wins us at least one of the SF games, the Miami game and the Jets game. That is three more wins (13-3) and would have put us as NFC West champs and most likely the #2 but possibly the #1 seed. Then who knows how far we could have gone in the playoffs. Dare I say SuperBowl

[PARAM]

I am in agreement with Pennsylvania regarding Stafford's superiority over Goff in the hypothetical 2020 Ram scenario tossed out by Elvis, where Mathew MatureMachine Stafford is the 2020 Los Ramos QB, and not Jared Indecisive&Sloppy Goff!

We win one of the SF games, the Miami game fer sure, the Seahawks game in Seattle....
and that fucking NY Jets game too!

I see 2020 going 12-4 for Los Ramos with MS at the helm sportsfans!!!

Kudos to McSnead for pulling off this great Stafford trade!!

Did you use that Canadian calculator? You know, the one that calculates rate of exchange between the US and Canada!

If we win one of the SF games, the Miami and the Seahawks game in Seattle, we're 13-3 not 12-4. The Jets game would have made us 14-2. Unless of course you're suggesting Stafford would have lost us a couple games.

[PARAM]

Stafford isn't perfect. He'll make mistakes like all QB's do. He'll miss open receivers on occasion. He won't always see the right play to be made.
But over the course of a 16 game season and hundreds of pass plays, and more if there are playoff games, I'm sure McVay feels that Stafford will make more plays under the same circumstances than Goff would. A lot of fans feel that way too.

Can Goff improve? Sure he can. He's certainly talented enough. He can make all the necessary throws a good quarterback needs to make. Will he improve? I don't know. Its gonna be tougher for him to prove himself in Detroit than it was in LA.

With Goff the Rams won ten game and made it to the second round in the playoffs. Mainly on the strength of the defense. The team feels Stafford can take them even further. I feel that way too.

Here's the weird thing about Stafford/Detroit and Goff/the Rams......

They both had 4 winning seasons the last 10 years. They both made the postseason 3 times. But the Lions are 1 of only 4 teams to have the same starting QB the last 10 years. Not "on the roster" but on the field. The other 2 are Atlanta and New Orleans.

So we're getting a guy who's going to play....every week (as Goff did). He's got more experience and is more talented in a few areas. But the key, the biggest thing, the thing that is going to make the most difference is....he's going to be playing for a phenominal offensive mind.

So McSnead better be damn sure the starting 5 on the OL (and a backup or two) are the best possible 5 we could find (within reason). I know one of them (Snead) said, they're not crazy about starting a rookie at C but I think that's bullshit, predraft smokescreen stuff. I think they've identified 2 or 3 guys who they're sure could slide right in and anchor the center of the line. And they're pretty sure 1 of them (if not all of them) will be there at #57.

[BuiltRamTough]

It’s a team game of course but I think Goff has cost us 2 SBs.

[rams74]

I find it interesting that so many people here believe that a guy who has done not much except lose over 12 years in the league is suddenly expected to be the Rams' savior.

Like most of you, I like Stafford. I think he's an excellent quarterback. But he's proven that he can't win on his own, he needs a team around him. And he's also proven that he's had some real clunkers at times, so he's not immune to that, either. He takes sacks, he throws interceptions, and he's had some awful looking fumbles. So, he's human.

My answer is no, the results would not have been exactly the same in 2020 with Stafford. Mainly because it's evident that McVay lost faith in Goff and fractured their relationship, rather than trying to do something positive with him. With Stafford, I don't think it would have gone that way. He's experienced, he's almost as old as McVay, and he's very talented. Possibly his talent alone would have made a difference, but I think the issues were more about the relationship between coach and player, at that point.

[HopHead Ram]

I find it interesting that so many people here believe that a guy who has done not much except lose over 12 years in the league is suddenly expected to be the Rams' savior.

Like most of you, I like Stafford. I think he's an excellent quarterback. But he's proven that he can't win on his own, he needs a team around him. And he's also proven that he's had some real clunkers at times, so he's not immune to that, either. He takes sacks, he throws interceptions, and he's had some awful looking fumbles. So, he's human.

My answer is no, the results would not have been exactly the same in 2020 with Stafford. Mainly because it's evident that McVay lost faith in Goff and fractured their relationship, rather than trying to do something positive with him. With Stafford, I don't think it would have gone that way. He's experienced, he's almost as old as McVay, and he's very talented. Possibly his talent alone would have made a difference, but I think the issues were more about the relationship between coach and player, at that point.

But isn't that the point? There was clearly an issue last year that went beyond talent. Our eyes saw what they saw. Goff had some really bad games last season (not saying he didn't have great games either). If the article is to be believed, he lost not only the support of his coach, he lost the support of some of his teammates. He lost it for a reason and that reason was he couldn't perform what was expected of him. It appears Stafford has the mental toughness and experience to challenge McVay if he needs to, something that Goff couldn't really do and it ultimately cost him. Hopefully McVay comes out of this a little wiser because if he doesn't then yes, we are basically just going to repeat history.

[Elvis]

Hopefully we can have different opinions without making it about each other.

I'm a no.

It's not like the line problems magically disappear with Stafford at QB or that we suddenly would've been stout against the Jets Dline for example, but i think Stafford probably saves a few more broken plays and also adds some big plays to non-broken opportunities.

So even with all else being equal, i see Stafford as a net positive.

But of course none of us can say for sure and that's why they play the games...