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Here's Fred's take.

http://thebeast980.com/audio/the-fred-roggin-show
2-09-15, Hour 2, around the 19:19 min mark.

Talk's StLoo , UK, league owners ,, ,, ,,

I'm fine with what Roggin said, but lately he doesn't really take a stand like he did before. It seems like since he switched to the 3-6 pm time slot he became more pc.

That's an interesting observation. Fred does appear to be a lot more interested in ratings and keeping his audience on the edge of their seats rather than his earlier "telling it like it is" approach.

[Stranger]

I'm fine with what Roggin said, but lately he doesn't really take a stand like he did before. It seems like since he switched to the 3-6 pm time slot he became more pc.

I concur, Fred was so pro Inglewood with having Mayor Butts on several times and now he makes a comment about the Rams leaving St. Louis, but maybe not for LA. However, right before that he conversed about Oakland staying in Oakland and in the end, that is what will happen and Spanos will be forced to partner with Kroenke, but he'll get a sweetheart deal where it's with the Rams or San Diego.

I don't think Spanos moves in with ESK at Inglewood, becuase I gotta believe ESK has told Goodhell that there is no way he wants the Spanos-spoiled-child as a partner. Can you imagine how many headaches Spanos would cause ESK over the years?

So, I say Spanos gets his sweetheart deal to stay in SD with a new stadium built in part with all those relocation dollars, and ESK gets an expansion team as a partner in a few years.

[SoCalRam78]

One point that no one brings up is that Kroenke can essentially screw over the Charaiders by going rouge. Remember, his project is the one that is shovel ready. That's the one that will be built first bu at least a year. Yes, the NFL can levy penalties on the Rams and the courts will be expensive, but if the Rams get to the market first and gobble up PSL/corporate money, that destroys Carson since the entire project depends on PSL sales reimbursing Goldman Sachs. What was their ludicrous projection on Carson, 800 million in PSL sales?

It's a trump card Kroenke holds over Spanos/Davis.

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The worst case scenario for Kroenke is that the owners refuse to let him move because STL has a plan on the table; a plan that Grubman said isn't good enough. It's a plan that almost every owner wouldn't take themselves. And both Grubman and VinnyB have made that point.

It reminds me of that scene from Caddy Shack where Rodney tells Ted Knight that he wouldn't be caught dead in a hat like that but it looks good on you.

So the owners would have to stick Kroenke with that ugly hat while giving Spanos and Davis the golden ticket.

That would be as one sided of a decision that the NFL has ever made.

And whenever I bring up that point to anyone in the media who says Carson is the likely winner, they always back track.

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One point that no one brings up is that Kroenke can essentially screw over the Charaiders by going rouge. Remember, his project is the one that is shovel ready. That's the one that will be built first bu at least a year. Yes, the NFL can levy penalties on the Rams and the courts will be expensive, but if the Rams get to the market first and gobble up PSL/corporate money, that destroys Carson since the entire project depends on PSL sales reimbursing Goldman Sachs. What was their ludicrous projection on Carson, 800 million in PSL sales?

It's a trump card Kroenke holds over Spanos/Davis.

Its been brought up many times.

The response has been that Kroneke won't do it for various reasons. But who knows until it happens, if ever.

[SoCalRam78]

The worst case scenario for Kroenke is that the owners refuse to let him move because STL has a plan on the table; a plan that Grubman said isn't good enough. It's a plan that almost every owner wouldn't take themselves. And both Grubman and VinnyB have made that point.

It reminds me of that scene from Caddy Shack where Rodney tells Ted Knight that he wouldn't be caught dead in a hat like that but it looks good on you.

So the owners would have to stick Kroenke with that ugly hat while giving Spanos and Davis the golden ticket.

That would be as one sided of a decision that the NFL has ever made.

And whenever I bring up that point to anyone in the media who says Carson is the likely winner, they always back track.

To piggyback on your point, what would the concessions be for Kroenke if he loses LA to the Charaiders since the NFL has concluded that the St. Louis deal is awful? It's been so one sided to this point, everything about what can the NFL do for the poor Raiders in Oakland or what the NFL can do for poor Spanos. There are all these contingencies to help that Raiders and Chargers if the Rams move alone. But if Kroenke was the "loser" and had to go back to St. Louis, what would the Charaiders/NFL give him? Especially considering Korenke pretty much spearheaded the entire NFL/LA issue.

[Elvis]

That's an interesting observation. Fred does appear to be a lot more interested in ratings and keeping his audience on the edge of their seats rather than his earlier "telling it like it is" approach.

There are a lot of Raider fans in L.A. and i'm sure Fred wants them as listeners but i think his narrative has changed because the facts have changed.

Spanos' attempt to stop Kroenke is more substantial than it used to be. Unfortunate, but i think Fred is acknowledging that while also trying to claim he's always right about everything, which obviously he hasn't been...

[Hacksaw]

Richardson ans Iger took the toxic and the fuzzy math out of Carson ?

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That's an interesting observation. Fred does appear to be a lot more interested in ratings and keeping his audience on the edge of their seats rather than his earlier "telling it like it is" approach.

There are a lot of Raider fans in L.A. and i'm sure Fred wants them as listeners but i think his narrative has changed because the facts have changed.

Spanos' attempt to stop Kroenke is more substantial than it used to be. Unfortunate, but i think Fred is acknowledging that while also trying to claim he's always right about everything, which obviously he hasn't been...

Agree. Fred has damaged his credibility with his unwillingness to admit that he hasn't been right about everything.

Too bad the old podcasts aren't available anymore on The Beast. That interview he had with Farr was damning for Fred. Then were others as well.

And where is Butts? Aren't the shovels supposed to be in the ground now?

[Elvis]

That's an interesting observation. Fred does appear to be a lot more interested in ratings and keeping his audience on the edge of their seats rather than his earlier "telling it like it is" approach.

There are a lot of Raider fans in L.A. and i'm sure Fred wants them as listeners but i think his narrative has changed because the facts have changed.

Spanos' attempt to stop Kroenke is more substantial than it used to be. Unfortunate, but i think Fred is acknowledging that while also trying to claim he's always right about everything, which obviously he hasn't been...

Agree. Fred has damaged his credibility with his unwillingness to admit that he hasn't been right about everything.

Too bad the old podcasts aren't available anymore on The Beast. That interview he had with Farr was damning for Fred. Then were others as well.

And where is Butts? Aren't the shovels supposed to be in the ground now?

Butts, on the show not too long ago, said they might start in January, depending when the NFL votes...