[St. Loser Fan]

the reality of this IS NOT from the fans ... rather it is from Luxury box revenue.... the corporate support never existed in St. Louis. If there was, Bill Bidwell would have never moved his team away.

Bill Bidwell moved the Big Red to Arizona because the St. Louis City mayor and the County Executive destroyed each other's competing stadium campaigns. After McNary and Schoemehl left office it was the corporate leaders who got together and had the Dome built. They also got the Blues arena built.

And it was the corporate leaders who got the North Riverfront proposal together in under 9 months. San Diego and Oakland couldn't do that.

the NFL started in 1920 ... thus nearly 100 years and FOUR NFL teams have come and gone.

The 1920's and 30's was when a NFL team cost a few thousand dollars to start and the team owners sometimes also coached and played.

If you're going to shame St. Louis for losing two teams 80 and 90 years ago, let's shame the Cleveland area for losing 6 teams and Detroit 4 teams. Plus Los Angeles couldn't even get a team until the 1950's.

so for nearly 100 years (with the exception of the GSOT) corporations have been inviting their business clients to come watch the St. Louis Football Losers? .... or rather ... did they invite their business clients to come watch the St. Louis Baseball Cardinals World Champions?

Corporate support and luxury box sales wasn't even a major issue/question until the 1980's and 90's. Besides, Los Angeles corporations couldn't get their act together for 20 years to get an NFL team back. The NFL should have only been gone from America's second biggest city for a year or two. It took a carpetbagging Missouri hick to bring football back to LA.

Something major has to change in St. Louis for an NFL team to be successful. Not even if Amazon HQ2 were to move to St. Louis there still wouldn't be enough support.

You are completely right. St. Louis is a mess and needs to get it's sh*t togther. Losing the Rams, voters rejecting the MLS and other things are a kind of a wake up call to our leaders.

By the way (unlike Los Angeles) St. Louis is not on the final cut list for Amazon. But we were never going to get them as I think Bezos wants to be in the DC area since DC proper, Virginia and Maryland are still on the short list. Either the nation's capital or Toronto is where my money would bet. If anything St. Louis might get an HQ2 Junior when Amazon gets into the prescription drug business by swallowing up Express Scripts.

[Hacksaw]

the reality of this IS NOT from the fans ...

Something major has to change in St. Louis for an NFL team to be successful.

Exactly.

Stan surely didn't help a quick return with his comments,, but he wasn't lying. And he never meant the fans.

[St. Loser Fan]

Exactly.

Stan surely didn't help a quick return with his comments,, but he wasn't lying. And he never meant the fans.

How many times can I saw this. The NFL is done with St. Louis. St. Louis is done with the NFL.

[rams74]

It took a carpetbagging Missouri hick to bring football back to LA.

This is correct. To get a team back to L.A., it took what it was always going to take: A motivated owner with enough money.

It's not about the cities, no matter how much you want to argue about how many mistakes L.A. made over 21 years, or how many mistakes St. Louis made.

It's about owners. It was the Bidwills who moved the Cardinals to St. Louis. It was the Bidwills who moved the Cardinals to Phoenix. It was Georgia who moved the Rams to St. Louis. It was Kroenke who moved the Rams to L.A.

And if an owner with enough money ever decides he really wants to be in St. Louis, that's when St. Louis will find themselves with another team.

[St. Loser Fan]

It's about owners. It was the Bidwills who moved the Cardinals to St. Louis. It was the Bidwills who moved the Cardinals to Phoenix.

The Bidwells were going bankrupt in Chicago and got moved to St. Louis to block an AFL expansion team. It was the NFL that moved and assisted them since they couldn't have done it on their own.

And if an owner with enough money ever decides he really wants to be in St. Louis, that's when St. Louis will find themselves with another team.

You are wrong.

[rams74]

You are wrong.

I don't think I am. It's really about the owners. There are always circumstances that you can cite about this or that. Expansion is an unique circumstance. With expansion, cities get a team without having a pre-existing owner. L.A. was awarded an expansion team, then it went to Houston instead, because L.A. did this wrong and L.A. did that wrong. But it was still about the owners, who decided that Bob McNair was a better addition to the club.

In the case of St. Louis, we'll probably never know. Because what it takes is a motivated owner with money who wants to be there. And we may never see that with St. Louis again. That doesn't make me wrong.

[Elvis]

The idea that St. Louis's NFL future is determined by what Stan Kroenke and the Rams said in a petition to relocate is ridiculous.

But, St. Louis is a relatively small low growth market these days and the NFL is a little light on growth itself at the moment so it's hard to see STL getting a team anytime soon. But things change and like 74 says, in the end it's owner driven...

[St. Loser Fan]

I don't think I am. It's really about the owners. There are always circumstances that you can cite about this or that. Expansion is an unique circumstance. With expansion, cities get a team without having a pre-existing owner. L.A. was awarded an expansion team, then it went to Houston instead, because L.A. did this wrong and L.A. did that wrong. But it was still about the owners, who decided that Bob McNair was a better addition to the club.

In the case of St. Louis, we'll probably never know. Because what it takes is a motivated owner with money who wants to be there. And we may never see that with St. Louis again. That doesn't make me wrong.

Stan said St. Louis is a dying hellscape that doesn't deserve the blessings of a football team ever again. The owners won't forget that.

Plus if St. Louis wins more than $1 from this lawsuit, they will make sure to teach us a lesson.

[rams74]

Stan said St. Louis is a dying hellscape that doesn't deserve the blessings of a football team ever again. The owners won't forget that.

The owners have already forgotten that. And those are the ones who were paying any attention to it in the first place.

[St. Loser Fan]

The idea that St. Louis's NFL future is determined by what Stan Kroenke and the Rams said in a petition to relocate is ridiculous.

Stan is a quote "an angel" in the NFL's eyes. And his stature will only grow once the palace in Inglewood opens.