[AvengerRam]

So is the US Supreme Court also stuffed with crooked St. Louis homers?

As has been explained to you before, that was NOT a decision on the merits of the claims. It was merely a decision regarding the forum.

If you don’t understand this stuff, don’t comment.

[/zn/]

What you're really advocating here is that the NFL morph itself into a single entity, rather than what it is today: A collection of 32 separate owners doing their own thing.

The NFL tried to stand up to individual owners like Al Davis and Georgia, who wanted to move their franchises, and it didn't work. The NFL would have wanted a team in L.A. between 1995 and 2016, but it took a willing, determined owner to make it reality.

So clearly, the collective is not in control. The individual owners are in control of their own franchises (within certain voluntary limits).

What you meant to say is that you hope the Bills' owner doesn't screw over Bills' fans, the Jaguars' owner doesn't screw over Jags' fans, and the Bengals' owner doesn't screw over Bengals' fans, etc.

It IS a single entity. Look what they just did to Snyder in Washington. He is effectively stripped of power over the team he owns ("owns" by a right granted by the league).

Every single owner makes money off of the network contracts, whether they win or lose or whether they even pay attention. That deal is a product of the league acting as a single entity.

The Rams moved to LA because it benefitted the league. Not because owners can do what they want when they want and how they want.

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[rams74]

The Rams moved to LA because it benefitted the league. Not because owners can do what they want when they want and how they want.

The Rams didn't move to St. Louis because it benefitted the league.
The Raiders didn't move to L.A. because it benefitted the league.
The Browns didn't move to Baltimore because it benefitted the league.
The Colts didn't move to Indianapolis because it benefitted the league.
The Oilers didn't move to Tennessee because it benefitted the league.
These were ALL the result of owners doing whatever they wanted.

But the Rams' move to L.A., both in 1946 and 2016 did benefit the league, so I guess that proves your point???

[St. Loser Fan]

All the NFL had to do was
1) convince Demoff/Stan to not shit on St. Louis during the process and on the way out of town
2) throw an empty promise that St. Louis is at the top of the list for expansion.

Boom. No lawsuit, no lawyers, no drama. The relocation guidelines are safe and could be used again to extort other cities.

[rams74]

All the NFL had to do was
1) convince Demoff/Stan to not shit on St. Louis during the process and on the way out of town
2) throw an empty promise that St. Louis is at the top of the list for expansion.

Boom. No lawsuit, no lawyers, no drama. The relocation guidelines are safe and could be used again to extort other cities.

Sure, I'll agree with that. But at the time, the rumors were that the majority of owners favored the Spanos/Davis/toxic dump proposal. So Stan had to make his case in a more brutal fashion.

If Goodell or Richardson or somebody had just given Stan a wink and a smile, it would not have had to come to the salted earth strategy. That's what should have happened. I doubt that Stan would have gone that route if he didn't think it was necessary (but what do I know).

[/zn/]

The Rams didn't move to St. Louis because it benefitted the league.
The Raiders didn't move to L.A. because it benefitted the league.
The Browns didn't move to Baltimore because it benefitted the league.
The Colts didn't move to Indianapolis because it benefitted the league.
The Oilers didn't move to Tennessee because it benefitted the league.
These were ALL the result of owners doing whatever they wanted.

But the Rams' move to L.A., both in 1946 and 2016 did benefit the league, so I guess that proves your point???

But the Rams move to LA was widely seen as benefitting the league since in fact the stadium will hold league offices and league events. Plus they saw it as occupying an abandoned population resource.

But meanwhile all I said was The Rams moved to LA because it benefitted the league. That;s just true. Though I should have said, the league supported the move because it benefitted them.

My other points stand too. It's more than just a loose collection of 32 owners. The league as a whole benefits from the NFL procured tv contract and exemption from anti-trust stuff, and the league has power over individual franchises like Washington.

You are right that several team moves have stretched the limits of that. But even given that, it's much more than a loose collection of individual owners. Plus there are owners who believe in community values and don't just scubscribe to the "it's all just money" approach.

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[majik]

All the NFL had to do was
1) convince Demoff/Stan to not shit on St. Louis during the process and on the way out of town
2) throw an empty promise that St. Louis is at the top of the list for expansion.

Boom. No lawsuit, no lawyers, no drama. The relocation guidelines are safe and could be used again to extort other cities.

1. Seriously? The guidelines you love so much basically call for such a strategy. Add to that the fact that the Spanos Toxic Dump Proposal actually had serious consideration among some owners, Stan was forced to go full guns blazing.

2. The best way to be considered for an expansion franchise is to file a ridiculous lawsuit that due to a hometown judge that gets to the discovery phase that airs everyone’s dirty laundry.

[St. Loser Fan]

From a well known local lawyer on St. Louis radio this morning;
-Stan's law firm is preparing a massive retaliatory salvo. They're even farming out other cases/existing clients to other firms to concentrate on this case.
-He's still baffled by Stan using a St. Louis firm as primary and not a New York powerhouse.
-Stan and the NFL are massively freaked out by the financial discovery.
-There are more Demoff smoking gun emails and phone calls.
-Stan and the NFL want to settle but keep everything super secret. The problem is since they are dealing with government agencies it has to be made public directly or accessible by Sunshine Law requests. The NFL is looking for loopholes or to have an emergency session of the legislature make new laws excluding the NFL.
-If this goes to court the NFL will lose, the number will be well over $1 billion and appeals will grind on for 4 to 5 years.
-If there's a settlement he bets it will be in the $750 million to $1 billion window.

[Hacksaw]

Where's that facepalm emoji?

[majik]

I guess this judge believes in the old reserve clause. The Rams lease/contract with St. Louis was up, so therefore, they cannot negotiate to play anywhere but St.Louis.

With this precedent, the city of Anaheim can file a lawsuit suing the estate of Georgia Frontiere and the city of St. Louis for luring the Rams away back in 1995. The lack of a contract or lease doesn’t seem to matter