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 by St. Loser Fan
1 year 7 months ago
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United States of America   Saint Louis MO
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rams1974 wrote:My two cents, I think the NFL is not going to dork around and allow YT be all "derpy derp be patient with us!" The NFL understands with a vengeance how important it is to make this work properly and at all times. It is just different where you have one day in the week where it ALL needs to work as opposed to MLB and MLS.

I chalk up the DirecTV outages that occurred last year as someone being asleep at the switch knowing that they were going to lose the deal, that is to say, it wasn't a coincidence.


I don’t know what DirecTV outages last year you’re talking about. I’m talking about local weather outages during thunderstorms and heavy snow. For about a decade mine and others DirecTV used to be rock solid. The only time it would go down is during a 1-2 inch an hour downpour or a snow where the flakes were huge. Now DirecTV varies more and people guessing they’ve cut staff as they no longer take temporary measures to adjust spot beaming signals during weather events.

 by rams1974
1 year 7 months ago
 Total posts:   546  
 Joined:  Sep 15 2022
United States of America   LA Coliseum
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St. Loser Fan wrote:I don’t know what DirecTV outages last year you’re talking about. I’m talking about local weather outages during thunderstorms and heavy snow. For about a decade mine and others DirecTV used to be rock solid. The only time it would go down is during a 1-2 inch an hour downpour or a snow where the flakes were huge. Now DirecTV varies more and people guessing they’ve cut staff as they no longer take temporary measures to adjust spot beaming signals during weather events.


I thought you were talking about streaming? The issues you describe sound like problems with the dish. The DirecTV outages last year, I believe were streaming .. it just flat didn't work for 1-2 weeks, and I suspect was due to what you describe, they cut corners, didn't maintain certain systems ..

 by actionjack
1 year 7 months ago
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United States of America   Sactown
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RedAlice wrote:Having to put a thingy on your house is DONE. OVER. ENDED.
Let's be real. And enjoy watching the Rams.

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 by actionjack
1 year 7 months ago
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 Joined:  May 19 2016
United States of America   Sactown
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https://thestreamable.com/news/youtube- ... day-ticket


As fans get more details on YouTube TV’s plans for NFL Sunday Ticket this season, there’s one question the service still has yet to fully answer: how will it keep transmission delays from having too big of an impact on games every Sunday?


Those lag times, called latency in the broadcasting industry, can be a big detriment to viewers. It can lead to big plays being spoiled by fans when they scroll social media during what is still a TV time-out for them, and it can also cause sports gamblers to bet on a play or series with incorrect or delayed information. Given that YouTube TV will now be streaming 10 to 15 games every Sunday thanks to its ownership of Sunday Ticket’s broadcast rights, it needs to do whatever it can to keep latency times low.

The service has some work to do on this score, according to interactive video firm Phenix. The company’s data shows that YouTube TV was an average of more than 54 seconds behind the linear TV broadcast for this year’s Super Bowl between the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles. FOX, which livestreamed the game on its FOX Sports app, was able to slash that delay time to about 24 seconds.

YouTube executives are likely just as unsatisfied with that 54-second number as fans who watched the game on the service, but whatever they have planned to do about it is still under wraps for now. The Streamable reached out to YouTube TV representatives for details on the service’s plans to combat streaming latency on NFL Sunday Ticket broadcasts, but has not yet received a response.

It’s important to note that not all latency that users experience is due to issues on the provider’s end of the streaming equation. The device a user employs to stream the content they’re watching, as well as the stability of their internet connection, factors heavily into latency times as well.

Still, there are technological advancements in the works that are aimed at reducing latency. Amazon, for instance, is hard at work attempting to develop streaming technology based on user data protocol that will bring the experience of streaming live sports much closer to what fans are accustomed to when watching on traditional broadcast TV in terms of transmission delays.

Other platforms are finding ways to slash latency times as well. Updates to the NBA app in October brought streaming delays down to about 12 seconds, a 70% reduction in latency over what the NBA app offered in the 2021-2022 season. There are clearly ways of keeping latency as low as possible on streaming services, but it remains to be seen what YouTube TV plans to do about its relatively large transmission delays for its first season offering NFL Sunday Ticket.

 by azramsfan93
1 year 7 months ago
 Total posts:   1537  
 Joined:  Jun 30 2015
United States of America   Chandler, Arizona
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Hopefully YTTV reduces their broadcast latency, but really? The only way to get zero latency is buy a ticket and attend the game. Live TV satellite feeds direct to local over the air broadcast is around 7 seconds. Cable? Add more delay. Satellite like DTV or Dish? Even more. 54 seconds is high and can be improved, but this is a major nit pick. Whatever will you do without those extra 30 seconds of your life?

actionjack wrote:https://thestreamable.com/news/youtube- ... day-ticket


As fans get more details on YouTube TV’s plans for NFL Sunday Ticket this season, there’s one question the service still has yet to fully answer: how will it keep transmission delays from having too big of an impact on games every Sunday?


Those lag times, called latency in the broadcasting industry, can be a big detriment to viewers. It can lead to big plays being spoiled by fans when they scroll social media during what is still a TV time-out for them, and it can also cause sports gamblers to bet on a play or series with incorrect or delayed information. Given that YouTube TV will now be streaming 10 to 15 games every Sunday thanks to its ownership of Sunday Ticket’s broadcast rights, it needs to do whatever it can to keep latency times low.

The service has some work to do on this score, according to interactive video firm Phenix. The company’s data shows that YouTube TV was an average of more than 54 seconds behind the linear TV broadcast for this year’s Super Bowl between the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles. FOX, which livestreamed the game on its FOX Sports app, was able to slash that delay time to about 24 seconds.

YouTube executives are likely just as unsatisfied with that 54-second number as fans who watched the game on the service, but whatever they have planned to do about it is still under wraps for now. The Streamable reached out to YouTube TV representatives for details on the service’s plans to combat streaming latency on NFL Sunday Ticket broadcasts, but has not yet received a response.

It’s important to note that not all latency that users experience is due to issues on the provider’s end of the streaming equation. The device a user employs to stream the content they’re watching, as well as the stability of their internet connection, factors heavily into latency times as well.

Still, there are technological advancements in the works that are aimed at reducing latency. Amazon, for instance, is hard at work attempting to develop streaming technology based on user data protocol that will bring the experience of streaming live sports much closer to what fans are accustomed to when watching on traditional broadcast TV in terms of transmission delays.

Other platforms are finding ways to slash latency times as well. Updates to the NBA app in October brought streaming delays down to about 12 seconds, a 70% reduction in latency over what the NBA app offered in the 2021-2022 season. There are clearly ways of keeping latency as low as possible on streaming services, but it remains to be seen what YouTube TV plans to do about its relatively large transmission delays for its first season offering NFL Sunday Ticket.

 by AvengerRam
1 year 7 months ago
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Israel   Lake Mary, Florida
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Been a YTTV subscriber for a while, so I'm looking forward to adding Sunday Ticket.

 by rams1974
1 year 7 months ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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azramsfan93 wrote:Hopefully YTTV reduces their broadcast latency, but really? The only way to get zero latency is buy a ticket and attend the game. Live TV satellite feeds direct to local over the air broadcast is around 7 seconds. Cable? Add more delay. Satellite like DTV or Dish? Even more. 54 seconds is high and can be improved, but this is a major nit pick. Whatever will you do without those extra 30 seconds of your life?


Yeah - take note of the source - "thestreamable.com." For those people 54 seconds is probably completely unreasonable, a total deal breaker, OMG so awful ..

I'm reminded of the early days of my Sirius subscription where a tiny number of audiophiles complained about the bad audio quality of the music being sent over the satellite .. you may be right .. but there aren't enough of you to make the company care.

 by St. Loser Fan
1 year 7 months ago
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United States of America   Saint Louis MO
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rams1974 wrote:Yeah - take note of the source - "thestreamable.com." For those people 54 seconds is probably completely unreasonable, a total deal breaker, OMG so awful ..

I'm reminded of the early days of my Sirius subscription where a tiny number of audiophiles complained about the bad audio quality of the music being sent over the satellite .. you may be right .. but there aren't enough of you to make the company care.


Latency is an issue. Anyone that’s been in the Discord game day Rams chats can attest. Or if you have a notification app like CBS Sports and have to turn it off because it’s too damn fast.

 by rams1974
1 year 7 months ago
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 Joined:  Sep 15 2022
United States of America   LA Coliseum
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St. Loser Fan wrote:Latency is an issue. Anyone that’s been in the Discord game day Rams chats can attest. Or if you have a notification app like CBS Sports and have to turn it off because it’s too damn fast.


No one is saying that it isn't (well, I'm not). I'm just not sure there are enough people who care about it, that it will make a difference in the YouTube Sunday Ticket subscription numbers.

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