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Priceless.

Your revisionist support of Goff is only surpassed by your revisionist support of Steven Jackson. I think it looks more like covering your ass or hedging your bet followed by PTSD (Post Telepathic Spin Disorder).

I hadn't noticed you were the first to call him a franchise QB. I didn't know there was a contest to be the first. IIRC, there were fans calling him a potential franchise QB in his rookie year once the signs became evident in the 2016 New Orleans game. However I certainly wouldn't want to question your claim to fame in this case.....being the first.

Well, you goofed and ignored the fact I spoke up for drafting Goff before the draft and backed him since, including defending him against bust talk in 2016 and "interception" talk in the 2017 pre-season. I wasn't alone in any of that. Either way those are facts. Disprove them if you can. And if someone else here called him a franchise qb before me, quote them. More power to them, whoever it is.

And...what "revision" of Jackson? I said at the time, in 2006, that he needed to mature as a player ... and in fact, he did mature, and at the time I said so and gave him credit for it. Though...why do you care (again) about a fight from 2006? (Actually, I don't care why.)

If it's that personally important to you to identify something I was wrong about, keep hunting. It's out there, believe
me.

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......if someone else here called him a franchise qb before me, quote them.

Why? Are you serious about wanting (and apparently needing) credit for being the first? My god, you are aren't you? Who fucking cares?

...why do you care about a fight from 2006......

It's not caring about a fight from 2006. It's noticing a pattern since 2006. (See the above reply)

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Why? Are you serious about wanting (and apparently needing) credit for being the first? My god, you are aren't you? Who fucking cares?




It's not caring about a fight from 2006. It's noticing a pattern since 2006. (See the above reply)

You're a good poster on the Rams when you don't let personal issues overwhelm you (going back 12 years!) (Most of us don't do that you know.) Anyway I challenged you to quote something that shows what I said about my interest in Goff isn't true (I backed him from before the draft forward, consistently...) And yes of course I still think I was right about Jackson needing to mature. I said he did; he did. mature, and when he did I said that too. (SJ ended up being one of my favorite Rams.) I can keep reposting all that for another. 12 years if you want. Either way the "pattern" is you being so emotionally personal you can't be objective. I demonize and have personal dislike issues with certain posters too, everyone does, but I know enough to not undermine good threads by fetishizing that kind of crap. So carry on if that's your thing. But frankly it's kind of ugly.

See you.

[AvengerRam]

For someone who doesn't want these discussions to be "personal"...

zn wrote:
Some of us were in Goff's corner all along, draft to now

I was already on board before they drafted him

I wavered at first

I defended him when others were doubting

I never got into the Wentz/Goff arguments

You sure like making things about YOU.

[/zn/]

For someone who doesn't want these discussions to be "personal"...



You sure like making things about YOU.

No you make things about me more than I do, frankly.

This started with me responding to this statement.

There was a time everyone said Prescott was the best quarterback in that draft.

Simple response: no not everyone said that. Not sure why that had to lead to disrupting a good thread with really tiresome petty personal shit. The rest of your quotations are me directly responding to false accusations.

But keep throwing mud, there might even be a wall somewhere to hit.

Or post about the Rams, that has real value on a Rams board. See ya.

[AvengerRam]

No you make things about me more than I do, frankly.

[aeneas1]

I love this kid. He's a friggen star.

and leader.

[snackdaddy]

Last 10 games

Goff: Rec, 9-1-0 - Cmp, 227 - Att, 332 - Cmp%, 68.4 - Yds, 3134 - TD, 22 - TD%, 6.6 - Int, 6 - Int%, 1.8 - Lng, 70 - Y/A, 9.4 - Y/C, 13.8 - Y/G, 313.4 - Rate, 113.0 - QBR, 75.9

Wentz: Rec, 3-4-0 - Cmp, 191 - Att, 269 - Cmp%, 71.0 - Yds, 2148 - TD, 15 - TD%, 5.6 - Int, 3 - Int%, 1.1 - Lng, 58 - Y/A, 8.0 - Y/C, 11.2 - Y/G, 306.9 - Rate, 108.5 - QBR, 68.0

Wentz played 3 less games. Comp % and int's are the only categories he surpasses Goff. Still overall, both are solid.
The big difference now is that Goff is no longer considered a bum.

Bottom line, scoring points and winning games is what makes a quarterback. Eagles are averaging around 22 points a game and with Wentz under Center. Rams are averaging 33 with Goff. Wentz's numbers are good but he's not putting up the points this season. Hence the losing record.

[aeneas1]

Great catch.
Very underrated by non-Rams fans who bought in to the “which way does the sun rise” nonsense.
Kid is mature and *never* says the wrong thing in interviews.

the "sun" bullshit bugged me to no end for a lot of reasons - first, it was such a stupid moment taken out of context, for ratings, there was simply nothing to it.. second, it intentionally attempted to make a young kid look foolish in front of a national audience, it intentionally tried to embarrass a young kid who did nothing more than arrive to camp.... lastly, fisher seemingly did nothing to stop it, or challenge it, he didn't even make a post-airing statement defending his new qb, in fact it wouldn't surprise me in the least if fisher actually approved of the bit given how he handled/treated goff in camp, and how he had goff, the first overall pick, dressed in civies on opening day... what a fuckin' nightmare those days were, thank god they're over!

re the clip... before that scene takes place donald can be seen swatting away the arms of a rams coach who was trying to keep him from going after britt, it wasn't a good look for donald, a total lack of respect towards the coach, but donald's demeanor changed completely when goff stepped in, he clearly listened to goff, and then listened again when goff let him know that mcvay was trying to tell him something, donald stopped in is tracks and turned to mcvay... very impressive leadership, and obvious player respect towards goff, from where i'm sitting.

[aeneas1]

Bottom line, scoring points and winning games is what makes a quarterback. Eagles are averaging around 22 points a game and with Wentz under Center. Rams are averaging 33 with Goff. Wentz's numbers are good but he's not putting up the points this season. Hence the losing record.

bam.

bradford threw for a lot of yards his rookie season which convinced more than a few that he had a great future in this league, but he never led the team to points, just a bunch of easy, empty yards... a qb has to be able to lead his offense to points, which goff has done in spades the last two seasons, which wentz hasn't done this season.

btw, can't wait until next season is over, it will mark the 3rd year goff has been in a "new system" which means we'll finally know if he's the real deal, if he can be a quality qb.