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Answer is more suited for PM.

And slo, I see your point. I’ll just refrain on the main board from such comments. You are correct in this political environment. I don’t always think about that.

Hey, RA. I sent you a PM.

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In terms of the owner/team thing. I am from neither St.L or LA (I lived both places a long time ago, except with LA it was Claremont...but close enough). And, I didn't have much fondness for Georgia and it's the same with Stan. In both cases it has nothing to do with where they moved the team. Anyway I am not fond of either one, though it's not really hate or anything like that. Either way it has nothing to do with me following the Rams. I don't factor it in at all. Now and then in the past someone tried to say that I SHOULD like Georgia or Stan if I'm a Rams fan, but, I have been a Rams fan since the late 70s which means I have followed the team for 40 something years and have not cared much for the owner that entire time. And so to me, liking/disliking the owner and following the team are just unrelated things and always have been.

IMO, (going by the history books), Dan Reeves was the best owner the Rams ever had....and he moved the team. Not just 'the team' but The Champions. He was one of the most innovative owners the NFL has ever had. There is also much love for Carroll Rosenbloom. Though he didn't move his team, he traded it for the Rams. Much more nobel than moving a franchise away from fans because you don't like the City. Would it have been different had the trade for the Rams not materialized? Unfortunately, for fans, the Colts eventually left anyway making his fan friendly trade even more remarkable and strongly legitimizing his complaints with the City of Baltimore. Georgia would probably be the worst owner of the four because though Kroenke's tenure is still being molded, he's already head and shoulders above her. And yet their only SB Championship came under her watch. Like the Colts/Baltimore, that fact only legitimizes the GSOT being the perfect storm oddity it was.

It's not about the owner. It's about the team. Rams. Wherever they play and whomever owns them they are my favorite team.

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And yet their only SB Championship came under her watch. Like the Colts/Baltimore, that fact only legitimizes the GSOT being the perfect storm oddity it was.

Everything came together all at once for that team. A team for the ages. But it was far too brief. More than one reason for it. Vermeil abruptly retiring was part of it. But GF allowed the dysfunction to ruin that team. I see the Rams current management being heads and shoulders above the previous regime.

[Hacksaw]

Everything came together all at once for that team. A team for the ages. But it was far too brief. More than one reason for it. Vermeil abruptly retiring was part of it. But GF allowed the dysfunction to ruin that team. I see the Rams current management being heads and shoulders above the previous regime.

Totally agreed.

The GSOT team was built on years of suckage. Very similar to what is happening now.
A genius offensive mind came in and turned that team around overnight. Very similar to what is happening now.
But that team then couldn't sustain it. Why? As you stated. A bunch of nincompoops were running the joint. They let Vermiel (temporarily) retire. Then they chose to move the genius out of his strength and gave him more control.

The difference today is that our current genius is capable of running a solid team and he looks to be in it for the long haul.

We are getting a 2nd chance,, so here's to the current brass being "heads and shoulders" better than that older one.

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Everything came together all at once for that team. A team for the ages. But it was far too brief. More than one reason for it. Vermeil abruptly retiring was part of it. But GF allowed the dysfunction to ruin that team. I see the Rams current management being heads and shoulders above the previous regime.

Yeah you have to say Demoff is better than Shaw/Zygmunt.

Doesn't cause me to care one bit about the owner either way, though.

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Everything came together all at once for that team. A team for the ages. But it was far too brief. More than one reason for it. Vermeil abruptly retiring was part of it. But GF allowed the dysfunction to ruin that team. I see the Rams current management being heads and shoulders above the previous regime.

If the Rams had a real owner in 2000 Dick Vermeil might not have have walked. A real owner would have given Vermeil the keys to their private plane and told him to really think about things for two weeks on some beach before accepting the resignation.

Instead John Shaw was sitting in his Century City office and Georgia in her mansion in Beverly Hills. They probably got Vermeil's resignation over the phone and did little to stop him.

The St. Louis Rams never had a real owner until Stan took complete control of the team.

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Martz would have been offered a head coaching job or 2 if Vermeil would have stayed. Most fans would have chosen Martz over Vermeil for Rams head coach, including this one.

[BobCarl]

It's not about the owner. It's about the team. Rams. Wherever they play and whomever owns them they are my favorite team.

I admire your passion.

The Cincinnati Reds was my favorite Baseball team ... until Marge Schott bought the team...because of her I lost interest in the team and the passion for them has never returned. Maybe if I lived there things would have been different.

Regarding the Rams ... when Jay Zygmunt cut Isaac Bruce he cut me to the heart ... I almost lost interest in the Rams at that point. Yes, football business is business, but I think it would have been good business to let Bruce (and Warner) stay a Rams player for life and let both of them retire on their own terms.

The Day that Bruce caught his 1000th reception (in a 49er uniform) ... I wasn't rooting against the Rams, but I was rooting 100% for Bruce to reach the milestone(s) ... I was so glad that I got to see those records live rather than on TV. At that time in NFL history, there was only one player ever in the NFL that had more receiving yards than Bruce did.

As a Bruce fan ... it was my favorite moment of being a Season Ticket holder ... and I saw a lot of awesome Rams players put up stellar single-game performances.

As a Rams fan .. it was the lowest of low ... to see Bruce setting his records in a 49ers uniform against the Rams.

Bruce's records were set on the same day that Jay Zygmunt was fired. That firing helped restore my passion for the Rams.

I was disappointed that the St. Louis press didn't make more of Zygmunt getting fired and the surrounding circumstances.

[BobCarl]

If the Rams had a real owner in 2000 Dick Vermeil might not have have walked.

His legacy for centuries will be his quote: "we will rally around Curt Warner".... a better quote than any by Vince Lombardi

However .... If the Rams had a real owner, Dick Vermeil might have been fired at the end of the 1998 season. That year he lost respect of the players and many of them contemplated not returning to the team. We'll never know what happened prior to 1999, but it was obvious that Martz was given a lot more control over the team.

but whatever the case was ... Congrats to Vermeil ... going out on top. Maybe he knew what a cancer Zygmunt was.

I'll agree with anyone that says "Martz was a great coordinator but a bad HC" ... but I think Zygmunt's jealous rage of not getting credit for the 1999 caused more harm than Martz being HC did. ... and Fuck the Patriots ... they Cheated. Martz deserves a 2nd Rams SB ring.

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Martz would have been offered a head coaching job or 2 if Vermeil would have stayed. Most fans would have chosen Martz over Vermeil for Rams head coach, including this one.

Not me.

They had Faulk, Warner, Bruce, and Holt. Al Saunders was Vermeil's WR coach in St.L, and later was the OC in KC... and he made a very good offense there out of less than that. IMO he easily would have done just as well as he did in KC if he became the St.L OC under Vermeil if Martz left.

Vermeil was the team builder. He would have kept them going.