[moklerman]

Sort of diffuses the talk about McVay being the problem, doesn't it? He isn't re-inventing the wheel but he is forcing the passing game to be quick and efficient. Get the ball out fast and let your playmakers make plays. I don't guess that that approach is tenable but I'm perfectly happy to have them use it until it doesn't work.

[elmendorf]

That's a great point. I should have reviewed the play bf commenting like that. I guess I just followed the dopey TV commentators' lead...never should do that.

[elmendorf]

I should have watched the play to develop my own opinion instead of blindly following the TV commentators! Shame.

[elmendorf]

Great throw to Higbee for the TD.

On that missed 6, it was bang, bang. Goff was stepping up in the pocket and Kupp was just breaking free when he threw it to Higbee. In fact his arm was already in motion before Kupp opened up. If he had waited a tick longer, he could have went to Kupp. Still that drive ended up with 7, so I'll forgive him and forget it.

Good point. I took what the TV commentators said to heart instead of evaluating the play myself. I'm really hoping this game puts JG on the right track for the rest of the season. And I'm in the greater Philly area, so I get to compare notes with the Iggles fans in re Wentz. Wow, glad we didn't draft him.

[PARAM]

Good point. I took what the TV commentators said to heart instead of evaluating the play myself. I'm really hoping this game puts JG on the right track for the rest of the season. And I'm in the greater Philly area, so I get to compare notes with the Iggles fans in re Wentz. Wow, glad we didn't draft him.

So am I!!! A few clicks outside the northeast. Ain't it a fun time right now?

Yeah, when I was watching the game and BOTH guys said, "man he missed a wide open Cooper Kupp", I thought "SHIT!!!". But after seeing the replay, I thought "tough crowd!! But man you guys just started a thread on RFU tonight!!!"

Yeah the replay showed when he moved up in the pocket, Kupp hadn't cleared yet and as he started to throw, then Kupp was breaking free of his defender. He could have attempted to hold the ball but he either would have fumbled or been sacked.

[Ramsdude]

So am I!!! A few clicks outside the northeast. Ain't it a fun time right now?

Me too!!! Looks like the NE is well represented here at RFU! Don't you love listening to WIP when the Iggles are struggling? lol

[PARAM]

Me too!!! Looks like the NE is well represented here at RFU! Don't you love listening to WIP when the Iggles are struggling? lol

Yeah.

[elmendorf]

It's all good here in PA! Loving the pain of the Iggles fans right now. I'm a bit north of you-all, I think...I'm here in Central Bucks County rooting for the Rams since 1970. I am of the Roman Gabriel/Deacon Jones/Willie Ellison/Jack Snow/Merlin Olsen era Rams fans. Go Blue and White!

[aeneas1]

Have read commentary on Goff "missing" Kupp on that one and am ambivalent about it. He got the first down. That's a good outcome.

That being said.. when we look at his throw depth, it may add some context.
No doubt the offense is designed for a lot more shorter hits this year. None. How much is the question and how much of that number is Goff settling for a more secure throw. I don't know how many deeper shots he's just chosen not to take this year that could have been successful. If he's operating at an efficiency level like yesterday.. that's one of those next level "problems" that's not really a problem in my mind.

thing is, 2020 isn't a matter of goff all of a sudden becoming a qb who checks down a lot, who panics and prematurely dumps the ball off rather than waiting for deeper routes to develop, just like brees (who year after year ranks at the bottom of the league in average depth of throw) isn't an example of a checkdown qb who panics and dumps it off - instead we're looking at offensive scheme.

mcvays's passing attack this season is very different than past years, it's much more horizontal than vertical, kupp's and woods' average route depth has decreased in 2020 (per pff), quick sideline outs now outweigh long developing crossing routes, wr bubble screens and inside rb screens have become staples, all of which have conspired to make goff's average depth of throw the lowest it's been, by far, under mcvay.

when it works it's effective, especially against teams like the cards who inexplicably played very soft of 3rd down, the rams short passing game ate them up, same for the bucs to some extent... but against certain looks (man, press, 0, 6+ fronts shooting gaps, dropping d-linemen into shallow coverage) it's been a lot less effective to-date.

[aeneas1]

I feel like you're responding to criticism that isn't in my post, correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe just commentary on others?

Anyway.. yeah.. obviously by design.. and, it seems possible, when given options, Goff is choosing the lower risk option.

If that results in a slightly lower scoring offense that doesn't turn the ball over as much and eats up more clock?

I can live with it.

i'm just pointing out what goff's low iay average this season means and doesn't mean... some, like the guy who posted the iay tweet, seem to want to weaponize pff/ng stats that they fully don't understand, like those who use qb time to throw stats to blame olines for pass pro deficiency, it's not what the stat shows.

my guess is goff, like all qbs, has at times felt the underneath pass is the safest option and pulled the trigger, but what we're seeing in goff's iay average isn't a reflection of that given the many obvious one-read short throws we've seen from this year's scheme.

and, yeah, whatever it takes to win, i'm on board, let the defense carry the day if that will get it done, but when you average of 12 offensive points in 3 of 4 games against the same team over the course of 2 seasons, while getting completely shutdown on all non-turnover drives, on 85% of the drives, you're asking a lot from the defense.

i'm all for cutting down on the sporadic big turnover games, especially against the defenses and defensive schemes that have given the rams fits, but i'm much more for mcvay finally figuring out how to effectively attack these defenses, these defensive looks, much more for mcvay finally figuring out how to score on these defenses on drives when they aren't turning over the ball.