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You also gotta wonder if the Rams want to keep a lot of their upcoming cap space available for a possible Kirk Cousins situation next year, could be one of the contingencies they're gaming out...

That depends on what's happening.

There's at least one report that the hang-up with Donald is not the amount, it's the structure (ie. how many years for the guaranteed money).

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[aeneas1]

My fear is that Donald is that jackass we saw on the field in SF last year. Great player, but a real jackass.

wow, pretty harsh max... from where i've been sitting the guy has been nothing but a team player since his arrival, extremely dedicated to his craft, and a helluva ballplayer... even if his outburst in the sfo game was an example of him being a dick (which it wasn't), as opposed to being an example of an extremely competitive guy who was frustrated as hell by the refs and the embarrassing defensive performance that night (which it was), i don't know how it could possibly outweigh everything he's done in the 3 years he's been in horns?

[aeneas1]

You also gotta wonder if the Rams want to keep a lot of their upcoming cap space available for a possible Kirk Cousins situation next year, could be one of the contingencies they're gaming out...

really don't get the cousins love, just not sold on the guy yet.. gonna be interesting to see what he does this year, if he's great i'll be a believer, but i'm guessing he's gonna have a mediocre season, and if he does, i would hate to see the rams do something crazy to land him because mcvay thinks he can make a perennial star out of him, i'd rather see what goff can do next year, even if he struggles some this year.

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wow, pretty harsh max... from where i've been sitting the guy has been nothing but a team player since his arrival, extremely dedicated to his craft, and a helluva ballplayer... even if his outburst in the sfo game was an example of him being a dick (which it wasn't), as opposed to being an example of an extremely competitive guy who was frustrated as hell by the refs and the embarrassing defensive performance that night (which it was), i don't know how it could possibly outweigh everything he's done in the 3 years he's been in horns?

I agree with this. Hold outs generate emotion. I just have to wonder if as it happens Donald and the Rams had agreed on terms at this point, if anyone would see the SF game last year as indicative. I still think it's an aberration. When I look at someone like Suh, his bad behavior on the field was a pattern. It wasn';t one incident where you could imagine the player learning his lesson and not repeating the mistake. Suh kept it up. Donald has been nothing like that.

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[Zen_Ronin]

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If you were the Rams GM you SHOULD have realized this before giving $17 mill guaranteed to a mid-level CB

And I agree, actually I made this very same point in this very same post. The one thing you can for sure blame on management is the cap mismanagement that lead up to not having enough money for AD up front. But the arguments suggesting that the Rams would overpay everyone else then somehow lowball AD are asinine. Poor planning sure. Cheaping out on a generational talent; beyond doubtful.

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And I agree, actually I made this very same point in this very same post. The one thing you can for sure blame on management is the cap mismanagement that lead up to not having enough money for AD up front. But the arguments suggesting that the Rams would overpay everyone else then somehow lowball AD are asinine. Poor planning sure. Cheaping out on a generational talent; beyond doubtful.

They don;t have to pay AD upfront out of 2017 money. There's many ways around that

[Elvis]

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And I agree, actually I made this very same point in this very same post. The one thing you can for sure blame on management is the cap mismanagement that lead up to not having enough money for AD up front. But the arguments suggesting that the Rams would overpay everyone else then somehow lowball AD are asinine. Poor planning sure. Cheaping out on a generational talent; beyond doubtful.

I don't think this is about 2017 money/cap space. There isn't any. Donald isn't holding out over something he knows isn't there. Whatever the issues are, hard for me to think that would be one of them...

[Zen_Ronin]

Nothing about total guaranteed money or annual salary seems to be the hangup.

Every leak I've read/heard suggests it's about an early opt out. Up front money won't change that... and they may not have wanted to give him that anyway.
Yeah.. they've mismanaged some stuff... but let's not conflate situations.

The early opt out rumor was more or less "debunked" by Vincent Bonsignore on twitter the other day, if you believe Vinny to be a reliable source, which I do. He said there is absolutely no truth to it, and that it is about money, but what part of the money (amount, guaranteed, up front, or back end) he doesn't know. Of course that could still mean the length of the contract for the money offered may also be a sticking point. Like the Rams want a minimum 6 but Donald doesn't want anything more than 4, but that's 100% speculation on my part.

Another reporter (I can't remember who) also said the Rams have made "More then one very fair offer" yet continue to get declined by AD's camp. I have a feeling we'll hear about the sticking point sooner than we think.

[max]

wow, pretty harsh max... from where i've been sitting the guy has been nothing but a team player since his arrival, extremely dedicated to his craft, and a helluva ballplayer... even if his outburst in the sfo game was an example of him being a dick (which it wasn't), as opposed to being an example of an extremely competitive guy who was frustrated as hell by the refs and the embarrassing defensive performance that night (which it was), i don't know how it could possibly outweigh everything he's done in the 3 years he's been in horns?

We are in agreement that Donald is a great player. There have been plenty of great players, dedicated and all that, who were still jackasses. And I have never seen anything from Donald that showed me he was a team leader who went out of his way to help out his teammates. He probably led by example, sure, but give me one example where it was shown he reached out to younger players and helped them out. All I saw was a ranting jackass disrespecting the refs in SF last year. You may want to overlook that, but that sounds more like a homer talking than an objective person.

It will be interesting if he holds out until he needs to come in to get his time in so he can leave early. If that happens at a time when the Rams are out of the playoff hunt, he's just gonna confirm that he's a jackass. He'd be coming into a clubhouse to punch a clock and couldnt care less about winning. Do you want that guy on your team?

[BobCarl]

We will never know all the details of the negotiation

and we don't need to.

Just show me the guaranteed amount and the season by season breakdown of the cap hit.

Just show me the facts. I want to make my mind up based on facts.

The word "special" doesn't mean jack shit without a dollar amount attached to it.

Just show me the facts.