[aeneas1]

- lots of qbs, including top tier qbs, have played poorly in cold weather. check.
- cold weather can and often does impact qb play and overall offensive play. check.
- lots of qbs, including top tier qbs, have played poorly against top tier defenses. check.
- top tier defenses can and often do impact a qbs play and overall offensive play. check.

- goff is from los angeles and can't play well in the cold. silly.
- goff has developed a trend of not playing well in the cold. silly.
- goff can't play well against good defenses. silly.
- goff has developed a trend of not playing well against good defenses. silly.
- goff can't play well in the postseason. silly.
- goff has developed a trend of not playing well in the postseason. silly.

- wentz is there, goff isn't. silly.

imo

[/zn/]

I wish we could do a better job of defining what we're arguing about here.

I mean the idea that Goff has played poorly on the road in cold weather against good defenes this year is undeniable. It's happened in Denver and now Chicago.

Are we saying weather can't be considered as a factor?

New Olreans was a road game, hostile environment, good defense and Goff had a great game.

I think it's absolutely a legitimate issue and topic for conversation.

But does it mean Goff isn't there yet, isn't on par with his peers? Well i think that's where we're going off the rails.

Would be nice if we could try and be a little more clear what it is we're arguing about, and maybe even try to make it a little less personal?

I disagree and yes we disagree on the topic. Which is only natural...it's a big issue, with lots of moving parts. To me that means there are going to be different takes on it.

This just happens to be mine. New Orleans did not do enough on defense to challenge the Rams the way Denver, Detroit, and Chicago did. That's' partly because New Orleans just does not have a very strong pass defense (28th in net yards per attempt). Against Den, Det, and Chi the Rams as a team won 2 of those, but Goff as a qb did not do as well in all 3 of those as he normally does. In fact the play was kind of spookily similar in all 3 games.

I take that as meaning that he's still inexperienced enough as a 3rd year guy to be thrown off his game by things he had not seen before. People have theories on this and that's my theory. That's not just him of course--it's partly playcalling too. But in those 3 games he has a combined qb rating of 48.83 with 6 INTs and 1 TD. I can't factor that out.

Goff said the Denver D was hard to decipher. The Lions D is not great but Patricia is smart enough to throw some new wrinkles at the Rams, something Spielman kept pointing out as it was happening. The Bears are obvious--great D.

I am assuming with good reason that a lot of that is just relative lack of seasoning and that as he progresses and learns from these things, and becomes more of a "seen it all" type qb, he will be less "off" under the same same conditions in the future.

I assume he progresses because he has all the natural talent and has the mindset and has already done it as a player before (Cal in year one before Cal in his final year, for example). I just think he has another step to take and that that will come with experience (and learning from experience).

If people don't like the semantics of the word "there" -- I happen to be far less interested in that part of the conversation.

I personally am less persuaded that weather was a key issue because that doesn't factor in the Detroit game. But, I do see that some people are making a case that it was probably a factor in the Chicago and Denver games.

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[St. Loser Fan]

I put it VERY low on factors. Is it why GZ missed FG? Nope.
Is it why the Rams went backwards on first 2nd half possession?
Nope.
Was it covering Rams receivers?
Nope.
Did it abandon the run game?
Nope.

The Rams O was a shitshow. The Bears D + HORRIFIC play calling + poor execution by everyone on offense = loss.

I’m just not buying the weather as an excuse. No wind or precip.

For the 23rd time I was there in the stadium. Even with no precip and very light wind it was cold as bleep.

[snackdaddy]

I will concede Goff isn't there yet. And I stress the word yet. I've always believed an athlete's physical and mental prime begins around 26 or 27 years old. He's still very early in his career progress. And he's already accomplished quite a bit.

I have a feeling if last night's game was played in 60 degree October weather during the day Goff and the Rams would still have difficulty. Maybe not 6 points difficulty but probably still would be their lowest scoring output. So yeah, the weather was a factor. But I think the Bears defense was more of a factor. They manhandled our line. Going forward I'm more concerned about that than Goff. I don't care who's back there, if they can't protect the quarterback its going to be rough going for the offense.

[azramsfan93]

For the 23rd time I was there in the stadium. Even with no precip and very light wind it was cold as bleep.

Two things:

1. Goff needs to learn how to play in the cold. It's mental.
2. McVay should have stopped the intermediate to long passing game. It was not the night for it. Goff had no success downfield, and it seemed all of Trubisky's successful throws were in the flat. Everytime he threw downfield he was picked off or incomplete.

[St. Loser Fan]

Two things:

1. Goff needs to learn how to play in the cold. It's mental.
2. McVay should have stopped the intermediate to long passing game. It was not the night for it. Goff had no success downfield, and it seemed all of Trubisky's successful throws were in the flat. Everytime he threw downfield he was picked off or incomplete.

I won’t argue either point.

[aeneas1]

...and it seemed all of Trubisky's successful throws were in the flat. Everytime he threw downfield he was picked off or incomplete.

on passes that traveled 10 yards beyond the los in the air, trub was 1 of 10 with 3 picks.

[phoenixrising]

Wrong. I want names. I want examples made of those that were wrong. I want them shamed. I want them to publicly admit their errors.

There's a list we keep of everyone who's been wrong on this forum, a wall of shame if you will. Click on "Dashboard" then "RFU Members" and it comes up.

[SWAdude]

For the 23rd time I was there in the stadium. Even with no precip and very light wind it was cold as bleep.

All that tells us is if you were the Rams QB is would have been a legitimate excuse.

We all know how you feel about the cold.

[/zn/]

There's a list we keep of everyone who's been wrong on this forum, a wall of shame if you will. Click on "Dashboard" then "RFU Members" and it comes up.

Well done.