[snackdaddy]

I don't believe the "Spanos is loved by the owners" BS... so NFL could still do a deal that supports the Chargers plans even though it doesn't make sense. That entire line sounds like PR created to keep everyone guessing... and bidding.

They might love Spanos bro, however they are hopelessly devoted to money. So in the end could end up being the old cliche for Spanos..........It's nothing personal just business.

Yeah, Spanos might be loved by the owners but money is loved even more. And the Rams in LA are worth more than the Chargers in LA. Especially with Kroenke's plans. That would be a windfall for the league.

[OldSchool]

Well said Legend it's like you read my mind on a lot of that

And what do we know about the 6 man committee on relocation. Kraft and Mara have both come out with comments that hint at supporting Kroenke. Rooney has given us a mixed bag as he said some strong comments in support of Kroenke but then backed off them a bit. The only thing I've seen from McNair is that he'll be jealous still that he didn't get LA and block anybody for any reason. People assume though I haven't seen support or lack of it, that Hunt is the center of the "love" for Spanos and the respect he's believed to carry. Leaving Richardson who was courted at one time by businessmen in LA to move his team and turned it down. Even turned down a bid to buy the Panthers at one point because he believed it would result in a move. The one thing we know from Richardson that he's stressed multiple times is that any team that moves to LA will have to have solid financial backing and prove a solid financial future in LA to "get it right"

And lastly and possibly as important as those 6 is Jerry Jones. We all know Jerry is firmly in Kroenke's corner the question is how much is he able to influence those six and will his support help or hurt Kroenke? It's going to be a wild ride getting to the owners meetings in December!

[The Ripper]

McNair has a first tier clause in his lease and Houston has already has issues with the required Super Bowl upgrades, so is he willing to risk siding with St Louis when he's going to have the same problem in a few years.

[bluecoconuts]

Lol at the other place.

http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/rep ... les.40164/

They added that to the relocation thread... I'm really not a fan of how they have that set up, especially since he posted that article with this whole disclaimer essentially saying ignore it, but right above it is an article that wasn't about relocation at all, but rather about the lights at Levi's being a pain for pilots landing and if it might be a problem at Inglewood.... Despite nobody saying that and it not being an issue. That's the type of shit that I knew was going to happen, saying that you're neutral but not really being that way.

[BuiltRamTough]

Lol at the other place.

http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/rep ... les.40164/

They added that to the relocation thread... I'm really not a fan of how they have that set up, especially since he posted that article with this whole disclaimer essentially saying ignore it, but right above it is an article that wasn't about relocation at all, but rather about the lights at Levi's being a pain for pilots landing and if it might be a problem at Inglewood.... Despite nobody saying that and it not being an issue. That's the type of shit that I knew was going to happen, saying that you're neutral but not really being that way.

Lol ya I saw that. Iced and the rest of STL is in desperation mode. I doubt lights would be an issue but if it is they'll put a roof on that bad boy.

As far as the other board is concernd, they can't ignore the elephant in the room for much longer. December is creeping up on them.

[OldSchool]

I wouldn't worry about that lights article. If people actually read the article they state that the complaints for the lights came during calibration events and tests not during actual events because during those tests and calibrations the lights are at least twice as bright as during normal use. Couple that with the fact that the Inglewood stadium will be covered and you have no problems.

[Elvis]

Between the lights and engines falling into the stadium, Inglewood is doomed! Hey did Ashcroft come up with the lights thing?

[Hacksaw]

Report: nfl-might-only-move-one-team-to-los-angeles

Another spin from a SD perspective..

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2015/9/ ... ment_tease

"See, now we're actually making some sense.

Los Angeles hasn't had an NFL team in 20 years. They should be eased back into it, and I don't mean "one team now and another in two years." I mean one team in Los Angeles that can rule supreme in the market for the next decade or so. There's a reason that the Lakers and Dodgers are still the "Kings of L.A.", and it's because the market had a chance to fall in love with them before the Clippers and Angels barged in. That's how the NFL should be handled there, as well.

So, how does this get done?

Well, and I was going to write this last week except we had so much game review and preview going on that there literally wasn't time or space for it, currently it feels a lot like Spanos is trying to blackmail (that may be a strong word, but hang on for a better one...) Kroenke and the league to pay for his stadium for him.

There was a report last week, passed along by my dear friend Fred Roggin, that Dean Spanos had more owner support behind him. Not necessarily for the Carson stadium project, but for the right to "block" a Kroenke move to Los Angeles.

With Carson dead, the only reason Spanos would be collecting those votes is to gain leverage. Leverage for what? Leverage into the pockets of a man much richer than he is.

I assumed that Spanos was going to give Kroenke two options to keep the owners from blocking his move. Either let Spanos move the Chargers into Inglewood as the second team (with Kroenke still fitting the bill for building the stadium), or pay Spanos off (with Kroenke's money fitting the bill for building a new NFL stadium in San Diego).

Now, depending on how familiar you may be with the legal system, you may notice that what I just proposed is illegal. It is the definition of extortion, so you're welcome for the legal lesson.

Whether or not this report from the NFL has anything to do with Spanos' power-play behind the scenes, I have no idea. I don't even know if that power-play is happening or if it's happening for the reasons I think it is, I'm just here connecting dots. However, I do think it sounds an awful lot like Kroenke's side (i.e. the league itself) responding to Spanos' side (i.e. the other owners), by saying "We make the rules and you just play by them."

Money, Money, Money

One thing that was mentioned last week, almost in passing, was that the Carson project (which, I assure you, is very dead) was hurt by the fact that both teams would be asking the NFL for a G4 loan.

Remembering that we're dealing with the NFL, and they make up the rules as they go along, I could see a situation where Kroenke's relocation fee goes partially into the pockets of the other owners and partially into immediately replenishing the G4 coffers.

Sure, the other owners will be pissy. They want every dime they can get, theoretically, but you have to realize the type of money we're dealing with here....

Steve Ballmer bought the Clippers, who have a partial lease to play at Staples Center, for $2 billion. The Guggenheim group bought the Los Angeles Dodgers for $2 billion.

Currently, the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable team in the world (and the NFL) at $4 billion. The Rams are worth $1.45 billion, but that number will at least double the second Kroenke's Inglewood stadium is finished being built. As a matter of fact, as owner of the land, stadium, and team, the estimation on what the "Rams organization" will be worth is somewhere in the range of $5 billion. It will likely be the most valuable team in all of sports.

Now, let's talk about Kroenke's investment.

In 2010, he paid $450 million for a 60% share of the Rams. He's paying somewhere around $1.3 billion for this Inglewood stadium. I believe he paid $200 million for the land, but I'm having trouble confirming that right this second.

That's roughly a $2 billion investment into something that will be worth $5 billion the day it opens for business in L.A., and will seemingly only appreciate in value from there.

This may sound crazy, but the NFL likes money. The owners like money, and while they're out to get every last penny they can, they also know when to walk away from the table with the chips they have left.

Simply put, if Kroenke offered to pay a $2 billion relocation fee, everyone probably walks away happy. At least $1 billion of that gets dispersed amongst the other 31 owners, at least $500 million gets thrown the way of the Chargers and Rams (which may just be restocking the G4 fund), and the other $500 can go one way or another.

Kroenke still walks away having appreciated his assets in value by $1 billion, or nearly doubling the value of the franchise overnight (even with penalties and fees mixed in).

Even on the low-end, that's $32 million of pure profit going into the bank accounts of every single non-Kroenke owner just for saying "I won't fight you." Take out Spanos and Davis, it goes up. Throw in some of that extra $500 million, it goes up (we're now north of $51 million per owner).

I know these are billion dollar corporations, but it's not often that someone walks up to them with an offer that nets them over $50 million in pure profit, and if Roger Goodell is sitting behind Kroenke's money saying "This is what the league has ruled," I find it very hard to believe that it won't go exactly that way.

Does any of this mean anything?

I guess? I mean, it's just a report added to some of my own assumptions, but with each passing day it seems like Kroenke (who decided to go for the league's support) is going to win this war against Spanos (who decided to go for the other owners' support).

One thing the NFL won't do? They won't let Kroenke move to L.A. by himself without it benefitting at least the Chargers, and probably the Raiders as well. Which, if I'm being perfectly honest, is what I believe Spanos (and Mark Fabiani) has actually been fighting for this whole time.

Spanos gets to stay in San Diego, which he wants, and he gets some financial assistance from Uncle Stan, which he needs. Everyone stays happy.

It's a nice picture, isn't it??

[BuiltRamTough]

I stopped reading^ when he said the land might of been bought for 200 mill, Inglewood construction cost 1.3 and a 2 billion dollar rely fee.

All 3 are way off.

Land cost 100mil
Stadium 1.86bill
Relo fee 250-500mill

Add the cost of overruns, major marketing, moving the team, maybe a new practice facility etc.

Sure he'll get money back from psls and naming rights but still that's a ton of money. 2 bill for relocation fee? What will Davis and Dean pay 2 dollars? Sure why not the owners like Dean.

[bluecoconuts]

I wouldn't worry about that lights article. If people actually read the article they state that the complaints for the lights came during calibration events and tests not during actual events because during those tests and calibrations the lights are at least twice as bright as during normal use. Couple that with the fact that the Inglewood stadium will be covered and you have no problems.

Well yeah, obviously, which is why I was a little disappointed that they posted it in the thread, there was no new information at all, nothing, and it was posted with the disclaimer of "maybe its an issue, think about it" while one team in LA was given the disclaimer of "meh, don't buy it".

Stupid in my opinion. I have no issues with trying to keep the peace there, but you can't pretend it's not there, and expect it to be okay when the final say happens. Going to be a lot of emotions out all at once.