[Hacksaw]

You know, all the Detroit people I read talk about how similar Goff and Stafford are, especially in terms of personality. Do not expect the fan's "fiery qb" fantasy (and since I don't share that fantasy, thank goodness). Goff owned up to his mistakes. Goff is as well adjusted and tough as Stafford.

BUT the big difference is, Stafford is a savvy 13 year vet who knows more about quarterbacking than McVay, so McVay will never pull that kind of "bad coach" impatient abuse stuff on him. McVay will listen to Stafford. That is one of the big advantages here.

That way we don't have to excuse that behavior, and instead maybe McV will unlearn it. I see that as a huge plus.

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Not saying Goff was bad but its pretty clear you're a fan of his and not so happy how your boy was handled. And what Detroit fans or writers say now is likely tainted by a bit of disappointment Stafford split and hope that Goff is not going to be bad.

[Hacksaw]

It's numbers. Want to see them? Stafford and Goff in 2020 in games under heavy pressure. They are just not that different. That's not an "assessment" that's cold fact.

Stafford's big advantage is his experience--savvy 13 year vet. But he had an inconsistent 5th year too. There's nothing rare about that.

I will say that I like Stafford, I like the fact that he's a 13 year vet, and I look forward to seeing him. But if the OL has the same number of just plain bad games in 2021 that they did in 2020 (around 4 or 5 of them)...Stafford is not going to make up for it on his own.

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zn, look at the 2 and you don't see the same guy. They don't resemble each other at all. Numbers won't sway my eye test. We'll see.

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Not saying Goff was bad but its pretty clear you're a fan of his and not so happy how your boy was handled. And what Detroit fans and writers say now is likely tainted by a bit of disappointment Stafford split and hope that Goff is not going to be bad.

I am not a "fan" of any one player. Never have been that type. I am a fan of the organization being classy, and I speak out when they let me down when it comes to that. And doing things like letting your qb know he is no longer the starter through a public statement instead of telling him first face to face--that is not classy. Yeah I am critical of that action.

I don't know if Goff will do any better in Detroit than Stafford has for the last couple of years. We'll see how much their new regime can fix all that.

I assume Stafford will do well in LA, and one advantage of having him is that McV will listen to him--Stafford knows more about quarterbacking than he does. McV ought to get a lot out of having him. I bet he changes for the better when it comes to that.

I rank McV as the 2nd best coach the Rams have had since I started following them in the 70s, with Vermeil being first. But no coach is without flaws and I spoke up when DV showed he did too. McV is not going to be an exception to that.

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zn, look at the 2 and you don't see the same guy. They don't resemble each other at all. Numbers won't sway my eye test. We'll see.

I just point out a lot of the things said about Stafford don't hold up. And I have always liked him. Plus I never resented the trade--my line on the trade always was, hey it's a 13 year veteran Stafford, what's to complain. He's a good acquisition.

But I don't buy a lot of what's being said about either one of them. For example yeah Goff had a down year (4 bad games) but it was not as bad as the hyperbole makes out. And as I point out---Stafford had a bad 5th year too. That's not a rare thing.

And I also point out that no nothing in Stafford's history has ever indicated he can play with a shaky OL any better than any other qb can. So if you want the best out of Stafford, join me in hoping the Rams OL becomes more consistent. Because the qb is not going to make up for it by himself.

Will a physically talented, savvy 13 year vet do well in this offense? Well if he doesn't, then, a whole lot of the Rams staff and front office deserve to be publicly executed.

In a humane fashion of course but still.



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[AvengerRam]

Regarding the offense's struggles last year, I boldly proclaimed, "its the OL, stupid."

McVay apparently disagrees with me.

He's probably right, but I bet I know more about birds than he does.

[Hacksaw]

I just point out a lot of the things said about Stafford don't hold up. And I have always liked him. Plus I never resented the trade--my line on the trade always was, hey it's a 13 year veteran Stafford, what's to complain. He's a good acquisition.

But I don't buy a lot of what's being said about either one of them. For example yeah Goff had a down year (4 bad games) but it was not as bad as the hyperbole makes out. And as I point out---Stafford had a bad 5th year too. That's not a rare thing.

And I also point out that no nothing in Stafford's history has ever indicated he can play with a shaky OL any better than any other qb can. So if you want the best out of Stafford, join me in hoping the Rams OL becomes more consistent. Because the qb is not going to make up for it by himself.

Will a physically talented, savvy 13 year vet do well in this offense? Well if he doesn't, then, a whole lot of the Rams staff and front office deserve to be publicly executed.

In a humane fashion of course but still.



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Disagree Stafford wont make a difference. We'll see.

Agreed there was something wrong with how the Rams (McVay) handled Goff's expulsion. There was obviously more to the story between Goff and the organization than even Thiry's article brought to light. That or the Rams have a cold streak running through their business veins.

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Disagree Stafford wont make a difference. We'll see.
Agreed there was something wrong with how the Rams (McVay) handled Goff's launch.

Well just to be clear, what I said was, Stafford by himself is not going to make a difference if the OL has some games as bad as their bad games in 2020.

That aside, will he make a difference in general? Oh yeah absolutely--he's a 13 year vet who has seen everything.

I agree with your agreement about how they handled the end of the Goff era.

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[Hacksaw]

Well just to be clear, what I said was, Stafford by himself is not going to make a difference if the OL has some games as bad as their bad games in 2020.

That aside, will he make a difference in general? Oh yeah absolutely--he's a 13 year vet who has seen everything.

I agree with your agreement about how they handled the end of the Goff era.

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His experience is one thing and is extremely important. He's also more physically talented. Twitchy. Throws from all angles,, quicker release,, probably a stronger arm when his feet aren't set and dare I say it, bigger hands. All that makes a difference too.

[69RamFan]

Just to add...

When Wolford came in for a start....

If the OL was so good, they would be able to hold their pass protection blocks.

But look what Wolford had to do, he had to run instead of pass

He had to run six times against the Cards, who's DL is not the greatest.

Then Wolford played against the Hags, he had to run once early in the game and got his bell rung...

So to say that we have a great OL... if posters believe that, then they better trade in their old pair of eye glasses and with thicker lens....

To say that Goff couldn't go through his reads,,, how could he when the OL didn't give him time to go through them...

I believe Stafford is a better QB,,, but he is still going to need protection from the OL to go down field, if not, I don't see him doing any better without upgrading the middle of our OL.

[actionjack]

Our speculations were pretty spot on. After reading this, it is pretty evident that a move HAD to be made. Sounds like he lost some of the locker room and when QB1 isn't the unanimous leader of the team, you have problems. I wonder where AD and Ramsey stood? I'm thinking a lot of the unnamed team sources were most likely defensive players.

Hearing an interview after the season by AD, makes me think he was still on board with Jared (but you never know). Ramsey I feel was pretty clear that he probably wasnt. Ramsey had not spent the 17 and 18 with Jared like AD.

I agree this pretty much went how thought it did. I have been a big Goff fan as many of you know since CAL days. I think the article said it perfect. He is a top 5 QB when everything goes well, but can horrible when its not.

IMO you cant make the decisions Jared made under duress. I think Wolford coming in and showing what some mobility in the pocket and the ability to run or reset pocket can do for the McVay offense was too good to pass up. Wolford wasnt perfect with this lack of arm talent, hence when they could grab Stafford it was a no brainer.