[moklerman]

I get that. But, I am taking more of the 30,000 ft view here: looking at losses on D and even O, and the presumed inability to adequately replace those losses as well as upgrade weak areas - along with the QB swap. Unless you are of the notion that with those presumed losses/weakness in certain positions, the new QB will compensate.

Actually, I do. I think the opportunities have been there on offense. Our OL isn't perfect but it's better than TB's statistically. I think that is why McVay and Snead have had it. If Goff would have been able to take what the offense has been providing, the Rams would have been better. I think he felt Wolford was seeing and attempting plays the way that McVay wanted. Of course, Wolford is limited physically so he's not a viable replacement permanently, but I think McVay and Snead are ready to hand pick a guy to run and lead the offense.

Which I don't think will be so hard to do. This scheme is akin to the old 49ers setup. Montana, Young, Garcia, Bono....it really didn't matter who you put in, they could at least keep things rolling. That's why I like the 6 year plan at QB. Let McVay draft who he likes every 4-6 years until he finds a Steve Young.

Goff looked like a good fit and like he would be that long term guy but IMO, McVay thought he could keep Goff productive by protecting him within the system. To some degree, he was able to do that but that insulation evaporates all too quickly in the playoffs. It's understandable to think that McVay thought he could tutor Goff out of that at some point but how many years does he keep trying?

I don't think Goff was expected to leap forward in '19 but to not show any progress in '20 and even probably regress, it crystalized for McVay that something wasn't meshing. And for Goff to still be struggling with the same types of issues that he had since '18 was too much. Goff was a mess in '16 and McVay came in and turned him around.

But that offense with Gurley and everything else made Goff seem better than he was IMO. Guys were running wide open off of play action and Gurley was turning 5 yard dump offs into 50 yard TD's. When the league adjusted and forced Goff to make plays in different ways, he just never progressed from that. If you look at all-22 video from the back half of '18 and compare it to this year, Goff is struggling with the same stuff.

[AvengerRam]

Whether it's the previous Gurley situation or now Goff, we dismiss what the reporters tell us at our own peril.

After that press conference where McVay allegedly said "right now," i thought that was a misquote and Rich Hammond basically laughed at me on Twitter for thinking that. And he was right. Mike Silver was right. Something is clearly up, no tea leaf reading needed at this point.

Sure reporters have their own motives, their own careers to think about and they're certainly not all the same. But a lot of them are a lot closer to the situation than we are, talk to more people than just the press conferences we see/read, they add real value and information.

My take anyway...

It’s like predicting a coin flip. Half the time, you’ll guess right. That’s not the same as actually knowingly what will happen.

I’m still expecting this to blow over and for Goff to stay. If I’m wrong, I won’t be entirely shocked. I just hope we don’t knee-jerk into a foolish move that results in a step backwards.

[bremillard]

There are a lot of possibilities and no way for us to know.

But my best guess at the moment (and has been for a while), Goff just doesn't play the game at the level McVay wants him to, McVay has become convinced the offense can be better with a different QB.

My next guess is it's somehow personal, they don't get along anymore, maybe (getting back to my first guess), Goff isn't making the decisions McVay think he should and Goff thinks he is. They're not on the same page and neither will give.

But like i said, these are guesses...

In the NFL these decisions aren't made because of personality conflicts unless the player in question is not living up to expectations. Goff had a decent offensive line in the Superbowl. The offense sucked because Goff sucked. McVay has been coddling Goff and working around his limitations for 2 season beyond the SB appearance and they keep sliding backwards. "Fix The Offensive Line". Sure thing. This is always the primary goal of any NFL team and it isn't an easy accomplishment. Goff cannot handle pressure. He cannot make quick reads. He cannot move. These are big problems in today's NFL and these skills have done nothing but deteriorate over the last 2 seasons. I applaud leadership that can identify the handwriting on the wall and make decisive moves. This may hurt for a season or two but will help in the long run. The Rams cannot be Superbowl champions with Goff. The Rams leadership knows this and is the ONLY consideration for moving him. Lets all remember that Goff was good when Gurley was arguably the best back in the NFL. As soon as that was no longer the case then tankeroo.

[St. Loser Fan]

Wrong QB thread.

[actionjack]

It’s like predicting a coin flip. Half the time, you’ll guess right. That’s not the same as actually knowingly what will happen.

I’m still expecting this to blow over and for Goff to stay. If I’m wrong, I won’t be entirely shocked. I just hope we don’t knee-jerk into a foolish move that results in a step backwards.

It’s surprising you aren’t listening to McVay/Snead they are not being shy about this.

Max has mentioned there is friction.

I have saying Goff won’t be the starter.
Expect something to be done very soon, like before super bowl.

I like Goff, but you can’t count on a perfect pocket to be successful in today’s NFL. McVay wants a play maker.

[ramsman34]

At some point the loss of talent, and here’s the kicker - the inability to replace that talent and replace the developmental players due to a reduction of draft picks (predicted by me in any blockbuster QB trade) - comes home to roost.

Dumping TG was one thing - less cap hit and much easier to replace. Dumping Goff and getting “better” costs capital. The Rams can only use futures for so long before they just don’t have them anymore. They still have to use the draft to get cheap players to fill holes left by more expensive vets. You have to have draft capital to do that. Otherwise you are poaching practice squads where typically the starting/heavy role playing talent just isn’t there. Or signing cheap vets who are on the downside. Again, the market and cap ceiling dictate much of what can be done. The Rams, all teams actually, made past contract moves under a model of predictable cap growth. Hello Covid. And now that model is shot to shit. And, the Tams are trying to make major moves under the pall of Covid. This year, and next year will be negatively impacted unless there is an unprecedented turnaround in the effect Covid is having.

[69RamFan]

That makes sense have the cap the same as borrow against future years.

One thing that did strike me the week leading up to the Cards game were the articles about Wolford and Donald’s comments about him being a first in/last to go home type regarding workouts and being at the team facility. Without saying it, it gave you the impression that Goff was not one of those types, which could get on McVay’s nerves and make Wolford the golden boy.

I don't see Goff as being lazy or not being motivated about his work ethics as some MSM would say or some hater fans would say,,,

Every year since 2017, he has worked out during the off season at 3DQB and then he finds a location to practice and brings in his WR/TE to train with him and he foots the bill....

During training camp,,,
I've seen him working out extra with his TEs trying to get them on the same page...

And during the season, I've seen films on his routine getting up at O dark 30 to go to work and leaving late...

To say he is not motivated or doesn't study is full of crap....

The problem is our OL,,, in the middle... that can't keep a clean pocket for Goff...
They get pushed back and he can't step up... or read the field long enough for deep routes....

Why do you think McVay switch it up on his play calling with the short routes or underneath throws...

If you look at the top 8 teams that were left in the playoffs...
how many of them had at least one or more Pro Bowlers on the OL and how many did we have? we had zero... you can't have zero with a pocket QB, unless they are all young and drafted in the early rounds, like TB and most likely they will have future PBers on their OL...
JMO.....

[AvengerRam]

It’s surprising you aren’t listening to McVay/Snead they are not being shy about this.

As many have noted, their noncommittal/no vote of confidence comments don’t really fit the narrative of trying to create a trade market.

Max has mentioned there is friction.

I have saying Goff won’t be the starter.

And...? You’re just guessing too.

Expect something to be done very soon, like before super bowl.


I like Goff, but you can’t count on a perfect pocket to be successful in today’s NFL. McVay wants a play maker.

That’s fine, but I’m not seeing that outcome from any plausible trade possibility. I could be wrong, but I’m not seeing it.

[PARAM]

i do know this... if the rams trade goff, i'll be rooting just as hard as ever for whomever is behind center.. it's what i am.. a rams fan.. till death do us part, and beyond...

and i'll also add, that if they trade goff, and by week 9 we're looking hard at the next years draft, ya, i'll be disappointed, but i won't stop rooting... however, i may be more cranky than usual...

I'm sure 99.9% of Ram fans feel the same way. I know I do. But if they trade him and we're talking draft around Thanksgiving, I'll be a lot more than cranky. I'll want Stan to make a coaching change!

And THAT is what a change like this is....a GAMBLE with your job. Having said that, if it works out for the better, it's all good.

[sloramfan]

action jack "expect something to be done very soon, like before the superbowl"...

ok... so quoting a talking head, within possibly the lions inner circle, about a stafford move, and it's a for sure ram deal? ...

sigh.. not so sure i'm all in on the stafford for goff news... not really a big bump with that one...

but if so, like i said on another thread, i'll be all in, and hope for the best for the rams...

go rams

slo