[moklerman]

Whether or not any of us think relocation trumps finding a new coach and that they could easily do both, it's pretty clear that's not how the Rams see it...

True. The Rams also see trying to win games without a QB, WR, OC, passing game or scoring points as a viable approach. Not sure the fans know less than them in either case.

[dieterbrock]

Yeah. He left the post game presser early and dragged things out today. Seems like the writing was on the wall in bright neon but he kept acting like the decision hadn't been made. Who knows? Maybe it hadn't. But it sure seemed like he was dragging out the inevitable.

It truly hadnt.
Bottom line is that the Giants were hoping, praying that Coughlin was going to retire after the game.
They didnt want to fire him, but he wouldnt give up.
Maybe if they won, things would have been different

I don't care about the Giants either way but it seems to me they might be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Coughlin's brought them two Super Bowls in the last 9 years and many .500 or better seasons and many playoff appearances. Sure, their defense has sucked the last few years but it isn't like Coughlin has forgotten how to coach. Or given up on coaching.

Its NY and they've been talking about firing him for years. It's been feast of famine for the Giants. Their drafting (with the exception of Beckham) has been pretty bad lately, so its not on Tom. But the reality is that if you have a franchise QB and cant win, there's a problem.
The way I see it, Coughlin was succesfull as a coach when he was a hard assed disciplanarian. These days he's a pillow soft player's coach. The way he caved for Beckham was the polar opposite of how he used to coach

[moklerman]

It truly hadnt.
Bottom line is that the Giants were hoping, praying that Coughlin was going to retire after the game.
They didnt want to fire him, but he wouldnt give up.
Maybe if they won, things would have been different

I don't care about the Giants either way but it seems to me they might be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Coughlin's brought them two Super Bowls in the last 9 years and many .500 or better seasons and many playoff appearances. Sure, their defense has sucked the last few years but it isn't like Coughlin has forgotten how to coach. Or given up on coaching.

Its NY and they've been talking about firing him for years. It's been feast of famine for the Giants. Their drafting (with the exception of Beckham) has been pretty bad lately, so its not on Tom. But the reality is that if you have a franchise QB and cant win, there's a problem.
The way I see it, Coughlin was succesfull as a coach when he was a hard assed disciplanarian. These days he's a pillow soft player's coach. The way he caved for Beckham was the polar opposite of how he used to coach

Still, a guy that's brought you 2 Super Bowls in less than the last decade should be given more slack. Maybe you're right and he needs to modify his approach again but he has to be the coach to make that happen. I guess it's hard to argue with results but it seems that Coughlin was on the brink of being fired just about every year in NY. The guy's proven he can get results with two different teams already, seems like he should have a little security.

[dieterbrock]

I don't care about the Giants either way but it seems to me they might be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Coughlin's brought them two Super Bowls in the last 9 years and many .500 or better seasons and many playoff appearances. Sure, their defense has sucked the last few years but it isn't like Coughlin has forgotten how to coach. Or given up on coaching.

Its NY and they've been talking about firing him for years. It's been feast of famine for the Giants. Their drafting (with the exception of Beckham) has been pretty bad lately, so its not on Tom. But the reality is that if you have a franchise QB and cant win, there's a problem.
The way I see it, Coughlin was succesfull as a coach when he was a hard assed disciplanarian. These days he's a pillow soft player's coach. The way he caved for Beckham was the polar opposite of how he used to coach

Still, a guy that's brought you 2 Super Bowls in less than the last decade should be given more slack. Maybe you're right and he needs to modify his approach again but he has to be the coach to make that happen. I guess it's hard to argue with results but it seems that Coughlin was on the brink of being fired just about every year in NY. The guy's proven he can get results with two different teams already, seems like he should have a little security.

He's not the same guy he was, but to your point, the guy wins 2 Superbowls, he should leave on his terms.
Jerry Reese really screwed him because their drafts have been awful.
This year the Giants were just snake bit. Thye lost 10 games but seriously could have gone 12-4
Yesterday game was just so typical of their season. Got in a hole, fought back, took the lead 27-21 and then were looking to put the game out of reach, and Manning gets hit mid-pass and ends up in a pick 6. Giants go up 30-21 or 34-21 there and they probably win hte game

[moklerman]

Its NY and they've been talking about firing him for years. It's been feast of famine for the Giants. Their drafting (with the exception of Beckham) has been pretty bad lately, so its not on Tom. But the reality is that if you have a franchise QB and cant win, there's a problem.
The way I see it, Coughlin was succesfull as a coach when he was a hard assed disciplanarian. These days he's a pillow soft player's coach. The way he caved for Beckham was the polar opposite of how he used to coach

Still, a guy that's brought you 2 Super Bowls in less than the last decade should be given more slack. Maybe you're right and he needs to modify his approach again but he has to be the coach to make that happen. I guess it's hard to argue with results but it seems that Coughlin was on the brink of being fired just about every year in NY. The guy's proven he can get results with two different teams already, seems like he should have a little security.

He's not the same guy he was, but to your point, the guy wins 2 Superbowls, he should leave on his terms.
Jerry Reese really screwed him because their drafts have been awful.
This year the Giants were just snake bit. Thye lost 10 games but seriously could have gone 12-4
Yesterday game was just so typical of their season. Got in a hole, fought back, took the lead 27-21 and then were looking to put the game out of reach, and Manning gets hit mid-pass and ends up in a pick 6. Giants go up 30-21 or 34-21 there and they probably win hte game

Yeah, I thought the Eagles were toast. But, the Eagles D has made quite a few big plays to help them out this year so it wasn't a complete fluke.

I know you're thrilled that Bradford had his first non-losing season, right? 7-7 isn't anything to write home about but it's got to be good for him personally to not be an NFL "loser" for the first time. 65% completion is by far his best as a pro and that's with a receiving corps that led the league in drops. Had his highest YPA(7.0) as a pro too. Overall, most would call his season a disappointment but he set many personal highs that should have been much higher. I think he made himself a lot of money by just playing decently. Horrible QB market in 2016 and someone's going to pay him. Who knows, Kelly may sign him if he can find a job.

[Elvis]

[Elvis]

[Elvis]

[Stranger]

No way I'd work for 49er ownership. They don't have the class to personally fire their previous HC, who had been with the organization for some time in other capacities. They fire their previous HC who took them to 2, or was it 3, NFCC games and 1 SB. Whiner ownership has proven to be immature.

[Elvis]

Pagano survives...