[azramsfan93]

Numbers in today's NFL are pretty simple.
The total dollar amount of the contract is the glitz and glitter, ie, "highest paid" this or that, "top 3 paid" this or that.
The guaranteed money in the contract is the meat and potatoes.
I have to believe (and most fans should understand) few make it to the end of the deal, so those numbers in the last year or two are irrelevant.
Signing bonus money and guaranteed salary are the deal.
If these writers are looking at the total number, it might seem fair, even though the guaranteed money might not be enough.
If these writers are looking at the guaranteed money, perhaps 50-60 million or more, it would definitely be "fair".

C'mon. We are so smart here on the internet but those guys who cover these things FOR A LIVING don't grasp the significance of guaranteed money?

Really? That's what your selling?

[Elvis]

Your true colors are showing.

Player is good, management is bad unless proven otherwise.

That's fine, just try not to pretend that you are objective.

Wow, talk about understanding the words but having no idea what they mean.

What do you think i was saying that's so biased?

[dieterbrock]

I never said he did.

This is the double talk that is so frustrating
He doesn't know the specifics but says record sums of money and people run with that. So he doesn't know what the details are. What is record sums? Most money ever? Most money Rams have ever offered a DT?
We don't know, neither does he.

[dieterbrock]

Your true colors are showing.

Player is good, management is bad unless proven otherwise.

That's fine, just try not to pretend that you are objective.

Some of us just want to know what the facts are before jumping to conclusions.
These guys aren't reporting what's on the table. Schefter himself says he doesnt know the details.

[BobCarl]

I guess that the truth undermines your position, eh?

It can't undermine my position, he gave me no valid reference point ... only a valid reference point can undermine or over-mine my position.

Donald is ...unreasonable ... Not possible!!

Now you are using a logical fallacy by assuming that I have my mind made up.

just give me the facts mam

[/zn/]

Keep gripping your narrative as it slips away....

If Allbright and Schefter were tweeting reports that supported your position you would be using it as objective evidence.

Don't try and argue you wouldn't. You will further undermine your credibility.

That was strangely personal.

[PARAM]

We don't; know the numbers.......

If it was a 19.5 M offer to AD, strictly speaking, that qualifies as "record breaking." Doesn't mean it's a fair deal 2 years after Suh........

So 2 things. First, we don;'t know the amounts BUT it is valid for the 2 sides to wrangle over how much more than Suh is fair in 2017.......

Second, there are reports that the hangup is not the amount, it's the structure. So Shefter could just be wrong about the hang-up being the amount.

There is just not enough real evidence to draw any real conclusions.

...

First off, the real evidence is Donald is not with the team.
Conclusion? There are problems with the new contract.

How much more than Suh should he get?
It could be twice as much but he, like Suh will never see it all.
Suh got 6 yrs, 114 mil + with 59.9 mil guaranteed. So if I'm the Rams, I ask Donald's camp, "what do you want....more money than Suh or more guaranteed money?"

Suh's yearly cash take in is 26.5, 13.5, 20.0, 17, 19 and 18.

But it's really a bit ridiculous. You get 60 million guaranteed and you, your family, your future and your family's future are set for life. When it's about "highest paid" it's all about image and not reality.

[/zn/]

This is the double talk that is so frustrating
He doesn't know the specifics but says record sums of money and people run with that. So he doesn't know what the details are. What is record sums? Most money ever? Most money Rams have ever offered a DT?
We don't know, neither does he.

Suh got 19.06 M 2 years ago, Miller got 19.08 1 year ago. The rumors before this have already been that the Rams offer was in the 20 M range. So it would be both highest offer for a DT and highest for a defender. Well, so far. When Mack comes up he will most likely get more than Donald, just because contracts go up.

The story from other reporters is that the amount is not the hang-up, it's the structure.

[azramsfan93]

Wow, talk about understanding the words but having no idea what they mean.

What do you think i was saying that's so biased?

If the leaks are accurate how are the self serving?

[azramsfan93]

It can't undermine my position, he gave me no valid reference point ... only a valid reference point can undermine or over-mine my position.

Now you are using a logical fallacy by assuming that I have my mind made up.

just give me the facts mam

We will never know all the details of the negotiation, even after it is done. The Rams have said Donald deserves a special contract. I have heard nothing from anyone - ever - that leads me to believe they are playing hardball.

That means the other side is...