[max]

you can't possibly be serious...

so, again, you claim "goff's extremes are greater" than brady's (apparently, incredibly and indeed with a straight face), so to you brady's chart is pretty bitchin', eh? it's an example of what a seasoned vet's chart looks like when compared to the inconsistent chart of and inexperienced upstart, right?

and the other charts i posted (which, no surprise here, belong to other qbs you're quite fond of compared to goff), they impress you as well, more examples of what, if we're very luck, goff might be able to post some day?




well, yes, "simple" (as in you have to be kidding me) does come to mind.... but since you asked, do any of these count?

25.0 - 150.0 - warner 2007
28.5 - 122.7 - montana 1994
35.0 - 129.6 - p.manning 2001
22.5 - 122.9 - brady 2003
29.6 - 138.4 - ryan 2008
34.3 - 154.5 - rodgers 2014

I asked if any other QB had a variance of 139.2. Its a very simple question.

And no, none of those count. None of those are close to 139.2. For a guy who is capable of amazing tables of numbers, there is no way you should have trouble with simple subtraction.

Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Stop insulting peoples intelligence. Either do the math and be honest or move on.

I'm moving on from this topic since there is no reasoning with you now.

[aeneas1]

I asked if any other QB had a variance of 139.2. Its a very simple question.

it's a completely moronic question, beyond moronic actually.... you want to penalize goff on both sides, for pitching a bad game in sub arctic temperature when both qbs played horribly because of the weather, and for playing a spectacular game... as if it's even meaningful in the first place...honestly max, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[PARAM]

I asked if any other QB had a variance of 139.2. Its a very simple question.

And no, none of those count. None of those are close to 139.2. For a guy who is capable of amazing tables of numbers, there is no way you should have trouble with simple subtraction.

Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Stop insulting peoples intelligence. Either do the math and be honest or move on.

I'm moving on from this topic since there is no reasoning with you now.

Russell Wilson had a 120.4 last year.

Roethlisberger had a 114.7 in 2016

Come on Max!!! All it says is the QB had a really good game and a really bad game in the same season. And please, for the sake of reputation, don't try and make a big deal of the 139.2 more than the 120.4 for Wilson. I would think any time a QB had a difference of at least 90 (which is a pretty good QB rating in itself), it compares.

Must have missed this one Max.

[max]

it's a completely moronic question, beyond moronic actually.... you want to penalize goff on both sides, for pitching a bad game in sub arctic temperature when both qbs played horribly because of the weather, and for playing a spectacular game... honestly max, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Why did you answer the question if you think its moronic?

So someone asks you what you consider a moronic question and you answer it. How moronic is that?

Jeez, you can't make this stuff up. I mean, I've seen stuff like this before, but not from relativity intelligent people.

[max]

Must have missed this one Max.

Sorry, PA, I didn't see your post.

I'm tired of answering this stuff.

The bottom line is that Goff had the biggest variance in recent history and he also had 5 games under 80 and 3 games under 60. He also had 4 games over 120. Thats to me says inconsistency.

[PARAM]

The bottom line is that Goff had the biggest variance in recent history and he also had 5 games under 80 and 3 games under 60. He also had 4 games over 120. Thats to me says inconsistency.

Well you need to do a little more research Max. Matt Ryan had a variance of over 100 in back to back games in 2013. Truth is, if a QB is good enough to register a perfect rating, he got a very good chance to have a 100 or more discrepancy in that season.

Consistency? No, just the numbers.

[/zn/]

Sorry, PA, I didn't see your post.

I'm tired of answering this stuff.

The bottom line is that Goff had the biggest variance in recent history and he also had 5 games under 80 and 3 games under 60. He also had 4 games over 120. Thats to me says inconsistency.

The variance thing is interesting. I tend to focus on the streaks---like the 5 of the final 8 that are below average.

Needless to say for Goff to establish himself as a true tier one or top 5 or 6 level qb he has to move on from that kind of thing, and I assume he will. No matter which way we measure it. In fact I bet he is more consistent this year than last, even if the OL has some issues. (Though not if the OL completely tanks, 2007-2009 & 2011 style).



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[max]

Well you need to do a little more research Max. Matt Ryan had a variance of over 100 in back to back games in 2013. Truth is, if a QB is good enough to register a perfect rating, he got a very good chance to have a 100 or more discrepancy in that season.

Consistency? No, just the numbers.

The extreme variance is just one element of the argument that Goff was inconsistent last year. Ryan did have back to back games in 2003 where one was 148 and the next 47, but that was the only game under 70 all year for him. Goff had 4 games under 60.

I'm not sure what you're arguing. Are you saying Goff wasn't inconsistent last year or he was just as inconsistent as any other good QB?

[dieterbrock]

So Max wants Gurley knee injury to be real and for Goff to be a bust.
Good lord, I thought this was a place for Rams fans to discuss.

[/zn/]

Well you need to do a little more research Max. Matt Ryan had a variance of over 100 in back to back games in 2013. Truth is, if a QB is good enough to register a perfect rating, he got a very good chance to have a 100 or more discrepancy in that season.

Consistency? No, just the numbers.

Enh. Slight of hand. That's just a blip. No one ever said (or ever would say) that consistency means flat line identical numbers. That's a complete red herring and straw man mixed into one. Max was talking about groups of games on either side of the variance.

Here's the thing. After a strong initial 11 games (with one blip against Denver) Goff ended the season with 5 of 8 final games where he played below average. THAT is the kind of inconsistency that is being described. A 2 game comparison from Ryan in 2013 does not answer that. It's not the same.

Let's look at Ryan in 2013. He had 3 games total that year that are below the 80 threshold. The one game v. one game "variance" of 100 you remark on is meaningless. (It's not the same as Goff's groups of games--10 at 100 and above v. 6 at below 80, with 5 of those 6 coming in a bunch in the last 8 games.) The REAL (lower level) variance for Ryan that year is 7 games at 90 or above v. 3 games below 80, with those 3 coming in the middle of the season.

Now would you describe that as heavily inconistent on Ryan's part? Cause if you would, 2018 with Goff is far more pronounced...ie. it's worse. If to you that is normal unremarkable ups and downs in good qb play, then Goff in 2018 did not reach that. And we want him to and he can this year.

And besides we want Goff to be better than Ryan anyway. I would not describe Ryan as a top 5-6 type qb, though he is top 10, and on top of it he lacks the clutch gene we already know Goff has.

We want Goff to sustain his play through the season. Consistency in that case does not mean identical numbers every game, or a 1 game v, 1 game big variance.

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