[St. Loser Fan]

Can we get an all encompassing “list of shame” for those that said the weather wouldn’t matter and the Rams would play just fine in the cold?

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Goff just had 2 bad games in a row. He is not yet a qb who is veteran enough to be consistent and who has seen it all on defense and can be steady even against top defenses. His numbers from the last 2 games are

48% completions (would rank 32nd), 3.7 YPA (would rank 32nd), 1 TD for 1.3% (would rank 32nd), 5 INTs for 6.5% (would rank 32nd), and an avg. qb rating of 48.85 (would rank 32nd).

All qbs have "off" games especially on the road against a top defense, but usually not THAT "off" and not 2 in a row like that usually. I even did the numbers for Brees in his 4th year in this thread, and yeah he had off games, but not consecutive ones like that.

So...I would say Goff in his 3rd year is not as consistent as he will be or as we need him to be.

I can understand the impulse to defend Rams players no matter what the data is telling you, even after bad performances. But...

... the impulse to act like that means you were right all along in this debate and all its twists and nuances, including all the misplaced sarcasm and sneering?

If you can't say you might have been wrong about a lot of that now., then it's pretty likely you can't say it at all period.

Well I WILL say it. I said throughout this thread that I did not expect Goff to play poorly this game, even on the road against a top D. I thought he was more advanced than that at this point. I was wrong in saying consecutive bad games like that are a thing of his past. He's still much more a work in progress than I thought.

I DO expect him to bounce back and I don't waver on his ceiling being a high one. I expect him to finish the season well. Still, a 2 game drop off of that level--something I absolutely did not expect? You have to just realistically acknowledge that as a big bump in the road.

Whoever thinks he is already fully "there" after the last 2 games combined is just being more homer than realist. Goff needs to be better going forward, meaning more consistent without deep drops like that in his "off" games, and I still don't doubt he can do it. He just hasn't yet.

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I think all of that is fair, reasonable, and accurate.

I guess we should expect bias to cloud many Rams fans perspective. It's not easy to take a hard unfiltered look at the team you love.

Sometimes I wonder why I feel the urge to try to explain it to Rams fans. This is what I see, and here's why. Maybe just the need for expression, I guess. But isn't that what a lot of a message board is about?

I agree with your previous observation that good QBs overcome bad play by their OL to a degree. Goff didn't come close to that. And I don't want to get into the top 10 QB thing again and all the bickering over Wentz and Mahomes. This is all about our QB and Goff clearly is "not there yet", not at this point. That was Goff's worst performance since his rookie year. You just don't explain that away as simply one bad game, especially when you consider how the Detroit D confused and disrupted him the week before.

[AvengerRam]

Every message board has posters who use the same formula:

1. Post attention-grabbing negative comments.
2. Wait for responses taking a contrary position.
3. Falsely assert that those who respond are trying to create a forum of conformist optimists, while the negativity is just "realism."
4. If their doom and gloom predictions come true, gloat.
5. If their doom and gloom predictions don't come true, join everyone in cheering victory.

This method is not original, not clever, and fools nobody.

As far as this thread goes...

[St. Loser Fan]

Wrong. I want names. I want examples made of those that were wrong. I want them shamed. I want them to publicly admit their errors.

[snackdaddy]

The Rams ran into a buzzsaw of a defense on a very cold night. Goff was terrible. So was most everyone else. It happens. We have 3 games left. A lot more to play for now. We probably won't be throwing away the final game this time.

If Goff and the offense continue this trend then I'll concede he's got a long way to go. But it won't be because of bad weather.

Maybe defenses have a blueprint on how to slow them down. Or maybe this is the time of year where defenses have seen more of offenses and are better prepared. There were some bad defenses who played pretty well yesterday.

Things came a little too easy for us. Now it's time to get down in the mud and fight for it. We'll see how they respond to their worst game in the McVay era.

[SoCalRam78]

Goff sucks again, cool

anything else? fire mcvay and bring back fisher?

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Goff sucks again, cool

anything else? fire mcvay and bring back fisher?

We should all have our own atomic weapons and everyone should set them off on a regular basis.

As long as we were stating things no one has said or would say, just thought I would get in another.

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If Goff and the offense continue this trend then I'll concede he's got a long way to go. But it won't be because of bad weather.

You seem to be defending Goff from people who are dismissing him, but the one thing we seem to all agree on is that these were just 2 bad games and he is far from done with.

Though it was 2. games (Detroit, Chicago) and not everyone (me included) thinks the weather was an issue. I've lived in Chicago. 26 degrees with no wind chill is just not bad conditions.

For lots of reasons---including playing 2 well-prepared defenses on the road--he went through a 2 game slump (the Bears defense is just plain a top one while Patricia seems to have prepared the Lions defense especially well).

I don't see much point in denying all that happened, but I also am with those who think that that was just a young qb going through a rough patch and that he is going to be fine both the rest of this season and longterm.

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Just listened to Keyshawn talk about playing in the cold when you're not used to it. i.e. guys from Cali.

He said the ball gets very hard and slick (ref Brady and Deflategate). And that has an effect on a QB like Goff who sees cold weather once in a blue moon more so than a QB who plays in the cold weather cities. (I also wonder if he smaller than optimum hands has an impact, dunno).

Key was actually making excuses for Goff missing those throws, he blamed a lot of it on the cold weather and of course said that's a really good Chicago D.

Key also said the receivers, he mentioned Cooks, weren't doing a good job communicating. He said Cooks played like he didn't want to be there in the cold against that D. He said its been a while since he played in New England and he's used to the west coast now.

He also said there's nothing wrong with Goff, but he's just not the top level guy people thought he was a few weeks ago. He'll be fine when they get back to LA.

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not everyone (me included) thinks the weather was an issue. I've lived in Chicago. 26 degrees with no wind chill is just not bad conditions.

Well, Keyshawn disagrees with you. And so do I. The cold was an issue. It wasn't the ENTIRE issue but it was real.

Have you ever thrown a football when it was 25 degrees outside? I have. It's much different than when its 60 degrees outside. And Keyshawn explained it this morning as I talked about in my post above.