[PARAM]

Remind be again of who those 2 impressive performances were against. what were their combined records? And who were their QBs?

Lets see.... AZ and SF, 7-25 and Rosen and Mullins. Wow. I'm blown away.

Hey, I was very happy with Goff's performance in those 2 games, but let's not make it out that they were this huge challenge.

You're talking like it's some secret formula. Good quarterbacks do well against crappy teams. Read: They do what they're supposed to do.

Brady's best (by QB rating) 4 games opponents? The Jets, the Jets, Miami and KC
Luck's? Tennessee, Buffalo, Oakland and Jax
Brees? Washington, Philly, the Rams and Tampa
Goff? Minnesota, SF, LA Chargers and SF
Mahomes? Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chargers and Arizona

[aeneas1]

You're talking like it's some secret formula. Good quarterbacks do well against crappy teams. Read: They do what they're supposed to do.

Brady's best (by QB rating) 4 games opponents? The Jets, the Jets, Miami and KC
Luck's? Tennessee, Buffalo, Oakland and Jax
Brees? Washington, Philly, the Rams and Tampa
Goff? Minnesota, SF, LA Chargers and SF
Mahomes? Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chargers and Arizona

it really is bordering on the comical now isn't it?

sando claims "goff has proven that when things are right around him, he can produce at an elite level."

when it's pointed out that goff lit up two nll defenses, to the tune of 31 and 41 offensive points with a first round bye on the line, without the benefit of all-pro gurley or his favorite target on the field, i.e. when "things weren't right around him", it becomes "yeah, but look who he played", from a rams fan no less, ha ha...

against the cards wilson booked a 75.9 and 90.5 qb rating, rodgers a 79.8 rating, ryan a 98.3 rating, stafford a 74.7 rating, and cousins an 87.0 rating - but goff, without gurley or kupp and postseason positioning on the line, books a 118.1 qb rating and leads his team 31 offensive points - max's response? but look who goff played!

against the niners cousins booked a 95.1 qb rating, rivers a 97.2 rating, rodgers a 100.4 rating, etc. - but goff, without gurley or kupp and postseason positioning on the line, books a 121.6 qb rating, throws 4 tds and leads his team 41 offensive points - max's response? but look who goff played!

a double mama mia...

[aeneas1]

Heres a comparion of Goff with Ryan, week to week. Clearly shows a significant difference in consistency, especially in the second half of the season.

hey max, who does this line graph from the 2018 season belong to?

[dieterbrock]

Not really...no. You cannot cherry pick if you are demonstrating "inconsistency." Inconsistency means up and down performance, so you show both.

That has nothing to do with the actual real meaning of the term "cherry picking." Cherry picking means you leave something out to favor one view.

If you're demonstrating inconsistency, by definition you are looking at BOTH the up and down performances. You have to account for both OR it's not "inconsistency."

Doesn't matter how well Goff played against SF and ARZ *if* the issue is inconsistency. Then you just have to show that 3 of the games before and 2 of the 3 games after SF & ARZ are below avg. (which is precisely the case.)

Ergo, inconsistent.

Trying to dismiss the down games as if he WEREN'T being inconsistent in the final 8 games? THAT is cherry picking.

And I will repeat all this to calm the waters and lower the temperatures. It is just simply not uncommon for good qbs to have been inconistent that way in their third year. I've already shown it happened with several good qbs (so far...Brady, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Luck). And being inconsistent is something a young qb can work on--in fact the Rams ARE working on it.

The best games point to where his ceiling is, BUT, all he has to do is perform more (can't avoid this word) consistently.

....

It’s cherry picking.
Choosing to discredit games over the perception of the competition?
Yeah ok.

Edit- @PARAM @aeneas1
Brilliant work fellas.
Totally nail it.

[max]

I don’t know how anyone can look at Goff’s trend chart and say inconsistency isn’t an issue.

I guess there will always be guys who can be outside standing in the rain and say the sun is shining.

[aeneas1]

I don’t know how anyone can look at Goff’s trend chart and say inconsistency isn’t an issue.

yeah, those "trend charts" are pretty darn telling!

here's another guy's "trend chart" from the 2018 season, why don't you tell me a bit about it, tell me a bit about the qb it belongs to, i'll wait:

[moklerman]

when it's pointed out that goff lit up two nll defenses, to the tune of 31 and 41 offensive points with a first round bye on the line, without the benefit of all-pro gurley or his favorite target on the field, i.e. when "things weren't right around him", it becomes "yeah, but look who he played", from a rams fan no less, ha ha...

Because it isn't honest to act as if the Rams had no running game with Gurley out of the lineup. CJ Anderson easily replicated Gurley's usual production and things were about as "right" for Goff as possible in those games. And Goff still wasn't looking like he was ready to get back on track.

He didn't look in sync even though the Rams offense was piling up rushing yards and points. I think the fact that they played him the entire game against the Cardinals in a blowout and against the 49ers when SF wasn't even playing their starters on defense the 2nd half supports the idea that McVay was trying to get him back on track.

I don't think it's a matter of discrediting those wins, just not succumbing to hyperbole and overstating their importance or difficulty. Trying to paint a picture that Goff was in a more difficult situation than he actually was doesn't help the conversation.

[max]

hey max, who does this line graph from the 2018 season belong to?

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You're gonna have to help me out with that one since there were 20 data points on your chart.

You said it was 2018 which was last season, I don't know of any QB that played 20 games in the regular season + playoffs last year. Did I miss something here?

Lets start with that.

EDIT: Hold on, I see where you screwed up. Its Brady but you put in an extra game from somewhere.

[moklerman]

You're gonna have to help me out with that one since there were 20 data points on your chart.

You said it was 2018 which was last season, I don't know of any QB that played 20 games in the regular season + playoffs last year. Did I miss something here?

Lets start with that.

EDIT: Hold on, I see where you screwed up. Its Brady but you put in a preseason game.

Was pretty sure it was Brady, but you already figured it out.

Which, I'm guessing is being used to illustrate that all QB's have bad games and that Goff isn't actually inconsistent.

I wish I was as confident that Goff had so little, if anything, to improve on. Hopefully that's actually the case.

[aeneas1]

You're gonna have to help me out with that one since there were 20 data points on your chart.

here ya go, and a few more, tell me about the consistency these "trend charts" show...