[/zn/]

So we can add to the whacky stats, like 31+ yard passes, so what is the time frame to count as a 4th Q comeback?
Rams scored with 11+ minutes left I am guessing 10 minutes or less?

LOl, you have absolutely no idea why 31+ yarders would be considered a good or bad stat, you;re just parroting a handful of others who, for reasons that don;'t make much sense to me, dont like that stat. To the point of getting emotional about it for some reason. So anyway that's just basic parroting.

In terms of the timing of 4th quarter comebacks, I agree with this guy, among others:

PARAM wrote:

They need to change the parameters from all comebacks in the 4th quarter to 8 minutes or less left in the 4th quarter

You didn't seem to be objecting THEN. I agree, the site he refers to (PRF) defines 4th q comebacks too broadly. At the top of the 4th quarter, with plenty of time left for the other team to take the lead back, it's not the same as a real 4th quarter comeback, which by definition includes much tighter time constraints. That is, it;s now or never...you score now or lose because there's a good possibility you won't get the ball back at that point. At the top of the 4th quarter isn;t that kind of thing---it's just a standard issue "taking the lead" situation.

Anyway you don't need a real 4th quarter comeback to say the qb made a clutch play. Goff to Kupp was absolutely a clutch play by both the qb and the WR. They were behind and a FG would only tie it. Taking the lead there put the Titans in a comeback situation in the bottom of the 4th and at that point they punted on one series and then in the next series turned the ball over on 4th down. The Rams D came through and the Titans offense couldn;t.

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[azramsfan93]

it is Christmas. Z can rant about no QB wins and losses all he wants, and the rest of us (along with virtually everyone in the NFL and the sports media) can go enjoying that REAL statistic.

Goff is now 11-11 as a starter!

[dieterbrock]

LOl, you have absolutely no idea why 31+ yarders would be considered a good or bad stat, you;re just parroting a handful of others who, for reasons that don;'t make much sense to me, dont like that stat. To the point of getting emotional about it for some reason. So anyway that's just basic parroting.

In terms of the timing of 4th quarter comebacks, I agree with this guy, among others:



You didn't seem to be objecting THEN. I agree, the site he refers to (PRF) defines 4th q comebacks too broadly. At the top of the 4th quarter, with plenty of time left for the other team to take the lead back, it's not the same as a real 4th quarter comeback, which by definition includes much tighter time constraints. That is, it;s now or never...you score now or lose because there's a good possibility you won't get the ball back at that point. At the top of the 4th quarter isn;t that kind of thing---it's just a standard issue "taking the lead" situation.

Anyway you don't need a real 4th quarter comeback to say the qb made a clutch play. Goff to Kupp was absolutely a clutch play by both the qb and the WR. They were behind and a FG would only tie it. Taking the lead there put the Titans in a comeback situation in the bottom of the 4th and at that point they punted on one series and then in the next series turned the ball over on 4th down. The Rams D came through and the Titans offense couldn;t.

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I’m not parroting anything. I constantly remark about how stupid your comments are. But I love them because it consistently shows how little you comprehend about football.
Parroting for example is using a fallacy like “air raid” qb can’t be successful.
Trying to remember which moron uses that one

[ramsman34]

ZN is not being a jerk off brah, he is just vehemently defending his position. He can't flip now. IMO, that was a 4th Q comeback. We were down in the 4th and on 3rd down, against the blitz, Goff delivered the game winning TD. THAT simply cannot be argued. Time left in the 4th and all that crap is just semantics. Game winning TD and the TEAM protected and preserved the lead and the win.

MERRY CHRISTMAS - WE ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!

[moklerman]

I was very frustrated with Goff at times during the game and he wasn't perfect by any means. His inaccuracy at times and fumbles were aggravating. But, moments like that are magnified during the heat of the game and at the end of the day, Goff led a road win with an impressive stat line.

He isn't like Manning or Brees where the whole game is on his shoulders and frankly, I'm glad. This team is balanced and has contingencies for when a defense takes something away. Goff isn't perfect but he's a helluva lot further along than any Rams fan has a right to expect and this team has just as good of a chance to go all the way as any in the playoffs.

For essentially a rookie, Goff is much more involved and further along than say, Roethlisberger was when Pittsburgh carried him to a SB win. If we do win it all maybe it won't be all because of Goff but he'll be a lot more integral than Ben or Brady were in their first runs IMO.

[PARAM]

You didn't seem to be objecting THEN.


it's not the same as a real 4th quarter comeback, which by definition includes much tighter time constraints.

And you seemed to be excepting any and all 4th quarter comebacks listed.

I do think the parameters need to be changed.

[Hacksaw]

Ah, Scrooge, just enjoy yourself. There's a big win everyone's celebrating. It included a big play everyone's praising. It's not a time for flame wars.

I do zn, you, not so much.

Happy Holidays.

[/zn/]

Zn is just being a jerkoff again.

4th Q comebacks are absolutely just as much a team function as Wins and Losses.
Kupp's drop against Seattle should crystallize that.

Teammates have to make plays as well. Period, end of story.

Just like in the other 3 quarters.

There we go. Don't have an argument, be a jerk. I wasn't being hostile or disrespectful to Elvis in the post you're referring to, just answering a question. I take it your flame post means you disagreed with the answer. But the problem is, you didn't disagree with what I said.

Every bit of every game is a function of the team as a whole. We know that. BUT in 4th quarter comeback pressure situations you have to rely on passing and the defense knows you do. The qb is under more pressure than normal, with time as a constraint. The question is, can your qb play in that situation with the same kind of composure and effectiveness he does in the rest of the game? That doesn't "put the win on the qb," it means your qb is under more pressure to perform than normal and you like him to be one of those qbs who is good in that situation. And btw yes I would say (and have said) that Goff did come through in the 1st Seattle game but they didn;t get the win. It;s not like the Washington game where he threw that INT.

So all I said was that that situation clearly puts a lot of pressure on the qb and you want to see if he is cool enough to stay effective under pressure like that.

That's just common sense. You want to know that about your qb. For example, I would say that Mariota didn't measure up to the situation. He was off...he didn't manage to stay effective given the pressure of the moment at the end of the game when they could have scored. It was visible and you could see it. I don;t know about him in other games, he may be fine overall and in fact some say he has been fine in that situation before, but that';s what I saw in this game.

But I do notice the way this discussion is going. Some are arguing, 4th quarter comebacks mean nothing, they don't tell you anything. Some are saying hey look at the Tenn game, it was the 4th quarter and Goff was clutch, that means something. I am more aligned with the latter argument than with the former.

[/zn/]

I do zn, you, not so much.

Happy Holidays.

Those kinds of things dont work Hack. I;m doing fine. I liked the win. Enjoy the day. I am. I assume you are too.

[Hacksaw]

Those kinds of things dont work Hack. I;m doing fine. I liked the win. Enjoy the day. I am. I assume you are too.

WTF are you talking about?

Have a great day!